Ultimate Survivor Kaiji (2007), Hakairoku-hen (2011) & Chuukan Kanriroku Tonegawa (2018)


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Who wouldve thought that Kaiji would ask Endoh for assistance. But really, a loan shark beeing in debt? Thats as stupid to be than a dealer taking drugs.

Still I totally dont know what Kaiji will do. Somehow I think he wants to break into the casino to sabotage the bog, but thats so unlikely and impossible that that cant be right. But that itself makes it possible ^^

@franzoir: Yes the BGM makes it really interesting.
Btw did you see the live-action movie? I didnt but a friend said that he is pretty good.
 
QUOTE (Killer_Ossi @ Jun 30 2011, 03:49 PM) @franzoir: Yes the BGM makes it really interesting.
Btw did you see the live-action movie? I didnt but a friend said that he is pretty good.
Yes I saw the live action movie i think last year and it was awesome. The actor who played the foreman was too funny.

They are going or have made a sequel which I cant wait to watch.
 
episode 14 is out still raw but it'll subbed sooner than other eps as it's only about the first 13 of this season... anyways if you haven't watched them or you like the narration then it's a must watch
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QUOTE (Killer_Ossi @ Jun 30 2011, 03:49 PM)Who wouldve thought that Kaiji would ask Endoh for assistance. But really, a loan shark beeing in debt? Thats as stupid to be than a dealer taking drugs.
A dealer taking drugs? you must be a puritan, that happens all the time everywhere, anyhow, it just goes to show how stupid jaded people are, seeing themselves as immune.

anyhow i was wondering why it was taking over a week, thanks, i have no intention of watching a recap episode.
 
QUOTE (Klyern @ Jul 11 2011, 08:01 PM) anyhow i was wondering why it was taking over a week, thanks, i have no intention of watching a recap episode.
don't worry, the recap ep is still raw and fansubbers still don't bother to subtitle it... probably until this season ends just for the sake to complete the subs of the series LOL

...anyways, waiting two weeks was worth our patience as ep 15 was just subbed and is really awesome, I never predicted such an apparently reckless and stupid planned attempt from kaiji and co. but it was just to distract and satisfy the sadistic manager Ichijou and his men and made them overconfident, accepting the challange of kaiji to try the Bog again... now the question is what's his REAL, flawless plan to beat the man-eater pachinko, damn I can't wait for next ep
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Eww. What they did to Kaiji made me wince. I know that it is a form of Russian torture but instead they use sheets of ice. I can only imagine the pain.

Now I wonder how Kaiji will beat the bog. I knows it going to be some glorious elaborate plan which required Sakazahi to go nuts and for Kaiji to get tortured.

I also want to know the real reason behind the distraction set up but I guess all will be revealed soon.
 
Damn that with the fingernails must have hurt so hard. Far more than what happened to him in season 1.

Im pretty sure he has done something to the spareparts who are now in the bog. The distraction wasnt a distraction, Sakazaki needed to destroy the parts so that they had to be replaced. I dont know how he did that without anyone realizing but thats the only thing I can think of what makes sense.
 
QUOTE (Killer_Ossi @ Jul 14 2011, 11:30 AM) Sakazaki needed to destroy the parts so that they had to be replaced. I dont know how he did that without anyone realizing but thats the only thing I can think of what makes sense.
Im also thinking that. I think Sakazaki stole some on the parts he broke to take home.
 
Haha that was a real con job , switching out the ball gauges like that. I wouldnt expect that kind of prep work from Kaiji but this situation did call for more invasive techniques.

But now he is screwed, Im sure Kaiji must have atleast a plan b if they activated the block. The problem is I just dont see how he is going to get it through it. His plan relied on an early win, and they can tamper with the bog at a press of a switch, unless Kaiji has some magical epiphany, I dont see how he will get through. Maybe this is where Endoh and co come into it.
 
Wow Kaiji had a really good plan, too bad the casino-owner saw through it that fast. But since its Kaiji Im sure he has something planned, even though it will be a lot harder now.
 
QUOTE (franzoir @ Jul 20 2011, 03:01 PM) But now he is screwed, Im sure Kaiji must have atleast a plan b if they activated the block. The problem is I just dont see how he is going to get it through it. His plan relied on an early win, and they can tamper with the bog at a press of a switch, unless Kaiji has some magical epiphany, I dont see how he will get through. Maybe this is where Endoh and co come into it.
kaiji's throughful plan to beat the bog consists in 3 phases, telling by his "flashes of :
inspiration" after sakazaki's first defeat

1.- making the staff to tamper the bog's forest nails with modified tools for him, passing the first obstacle easily : when kaiji found a pachinko ball in sakazaki's pocket he went to retrieve 4000 yen worth a ball, making it seem to ichijou's casino staff that was why entered the restricted room but his true intention was to look inside while he sits near a drawer to smoke a cigarrette, noticing the tools to temper the pins, its schedule board and the vent above them, also there are no survillance cameras around... then ichijou gives him a night club vip card to go out and enjoy himself before returning to the underground but kaiji rips it and goes out the staff office distracting them again, after watching the vent he wonders if there is a room above the office, then searches the building and finds an empty room where later he and sakazaki will fish the tampering tools and change them to make the pachinko balls fall through the pins easily - as explained what we watched in this episode

2.- how to disable the second barrier's block if activated: after watching the bog for many hours and knowing how to beat the forest of pins kaiji returns to sakasaki's place but he isn't there, instead he finds the bog's copy destroyed by him and then realizes how the plates work... days later sakazaki tries the bog again and fails purposely, destroying the second barrier out of rage and distracts the staff with a fake dynamite while kaiji enters the monitoring room, making ichijou and his men believe he was after their secret safe - I think kaiji discovered how to turn off the sensors of the block and slow down the plates movement, probably he found out how the block works while checking inside the room and endou got some kind of remote controller, in case he notices the second barrier isn't letting though anymore pachinko balls he will push the button to switch it off... after all they are cheating with the block so fight fire with fire, just like happened with the fake dice in the chinchirorin arc

3.- how to beat the triple trays: kaiji goes back to the illegal casino to think about how to beat the triple trays, without any luck so he goes outside to literally cool off eating some flavored ice at a cafe and he hears the conversation of the owner and a customer complaing about why the building nearby is taking so long to be done, giving kaiji an unexpected realization and confirms what he just heard with the builder... he rushes to stop sakazaki from betting the rest of the money in races and then finds endou who is in debt as well, kaiji explains him how to beat the bog and win 700 mil yen and asks him to lend 50 mil for pachinko balls, 5 mil up front for prep and also manpower, in other words to let the 45s out from hell and help them - if kaiji needs 5 more men besides endou and sakazaki that means they'll participate in something big probably related with the building nearby, I think it has to do with the floor being shaken with some construction machine given the signal (when a ball enters the final tray), a cell phone comes handy in this one... sounds crazy but I can't think of any other possibilities
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ep 17 just subbed, finally we see again teiai's chairman Hyoudo as sadistic as ever, like a dog licking from a bowl while enjoying kaiji's despair to even broadcast it in HD to be watched by his underground co-workers struggling... oh well my predictions were a bit too rushed, there is no menpower from the 45ers who still are in teiai's hell either the block can't be beaten yet kaiji keeps trying, looks like he's depending entirely on luck now

...weird how endou is calm and trusts as the time passes the pachinko balls may break through the flippers, maybe the clue to beat the bog is what Hyoudo meant with "this machine measures a person's luck, talent, disposition and looks, it measures their capacity as a human being", but didn't he and Tonegawa supposely won the jackpot to make it look to the customers like the bog can be beaten, isn't it a teiai's casino trick?
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Seems like the two Bog-defeaters really did win instead of it just beeing advertisement. And from the looks of the chairman there is a trick to beating it. And it seemed like it has something to do with the chair Kaiji is sitting on or else they wouldnt have showed it in this weird way when the chairman was talking about.

But what did Endou mean with knocking until it opens? I mean its not like the flippers are wearing out or something just because a few hundred balls go against it. Does he maybe mean that two come in closely so that one is getting thourgh while the flippers open again? But that still would leave the three plates to overcome.
 
Even though nothing really happened, this episode was GRANDLY EPIC. I love that kind of stuff where the scene is set so everybody can witness whether Kaiji will rise to become a hero or fall to become a loser scurrying underground.

Im glad to see the Boss of Teiai has returned but is it just or does it seem like he has gone insane since S1. It was so funny when he sent that guy to be punished but really who would want to drink from the same bowl as that guy?

Although, I do agree with the Hyoundo that putting your faith in other human beings to get you out of trouble is pathetic. Thats why even if Kaiji wins the 45s will never evolve to more than what they are.

Im just waiting to see how Kaiji will can win this. Im certain it will be epic.
 
Dam, I couldnt get enough of that episode.

Ingenious plan by Kaiji. I dont know what impresses me more, the fact that he tampered with parts at the manufacturers or the psychological forces he put on the manager Ichijo.

When Kaiji started playing dumb and saying, "It's a gift from god" just made me laugh. Ichijou is going to end up like Tonegawe at this rate. If he didnt cheat before he could have casually refused Kaiji. Such a great plan.
 
A really great plan until now, but I hope Kaiji wont leave it to luck now. I mean just hoping that one of the many balls who will now come through gets through the three plates isnt his style and pretty stupid.

The best part was when the Chairman called. The face and utter destruction of Ichijou was just great.
 
so the reason why kaiji kept knocking the flippers wasn't for stuborness or mere luck, but to force the second barrier melting until it opened thanks to the tampered replacement parts manufactured for the bog after sakazaki destroyed the original ones... I think endou had connectons with the teiai pachinko manufacturer and kaiji made his move flawlessly: fight remote cheating with elaborated cheating lol

ichijou is between two grim reapers. first called by the second in command of teiai group and now the chairman... he can only trust in the triple plates, this time remote-controlled from a 5-5-5 setting to the most difficult one, 7-7-7 (first I though ichijou's trump setting to be the demonic 6-6-6 hahaha), now here comes the results of kaiji's third flash of inspiration at the cafe and the building nearby
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Regarding how Hyodo and Tonegawa won, it's actually not a big deal and its not a spoiler but I'll tag it with spoilers just in case, as its not explicitly explained in the manga, it may be somewhat of an implied cultural thing and a look into Hyodo's way of thinking:


Hyodo is represented in both the anime and manga as being completely oblivious as to why he won, but being that this money is a method for Teiai to make money, its basically shown in I believe both the manga and anime that the casino operators made the machines cash out on command. (Their portraits are hanging on the wall as the only 2 winners)

As we all know Hyodo has mental issues and likes being pampered with attention and extreme luxeries, and normal pachinko is like playing with pennies and winning dollars for him. So $40 a pop pachinko is more his style.

The casino cannot afford to have Hyodo to come and play "legitimately" because the machine is technically not made to win at all. For Hyodo to bother coming to the casino and making him play on what actually is a 100% fail machine and go home empty handed could be extremely insulting to Hyodo. We all know from Kaiji 1 that Hyodo believes that he has divine powers of sorts to win at even odds of 0.001% (even if he will play dirty to increase his odds also)

So letting Hyodo win is like allowing a very powerful child to continue to live in his dream of victory. It may not be the first time Hyodo played when he won also. It could have been his 2nd or 3rd try and his assistants notified the casino in secret that by the time Hyodo finished playing and losing for the 2nd time he got sick of pachinko he can't win because "he thought its stupid" or insert any reason (really, does the reason need to be important at all when a pouty, ridiculously rich lord of a draconianly run corporation head starts getting moody?). Hyodo may be smart but he is also very immature because he is easily made bored and is used to getting whatever he wants.


Now on the other hand I don't think Tonegawa needed a little dog and pony show charade made for him so I think Tonegawa was sent as a special guest and "won" the machine only as a means for Teiai to collect the over flowing Pachinko palls. He knew it was business, played for a bit just to please the crowd, and cashed out. I have a hard time seeing Tonegawa not only blowing a lot of money on a pachinko machine, but then cashing out and being completely awe struck "Wow! I can't believe it!"

Hyodo though... man, he is just insane. He giggles like a 3 year old child when seeing people getting executed for all intents and purposes. Hah.
 
I was sitting on the edge of my seat watching this. My heart was beating fast when he reached the third plate. The atmosphere was just amazing.

The casino having 3 slants surrounding the bogs was outrageous cheating but then to discover that Kaiji had tilted the building was just spectacular.

Really I cannot give Kaiji enough credit for transcending common sense.

As Sakazaki said the only thing left to do is to win. I want to see Ichijou face melt now.

However, I have a sneaky feeling that Kaiji wont win.
 
I knew the +7+7+7 remote control setting had to do with making the triple plates more difficult but didn't think it had to do with tilting the machine with three inclines: slant of the plates, the machine itself towards the front and the floor where the bog is installed... kaiji was very observant and clever when he noticed some pachinko balls rolled on the floor farther than usual and realized the tilt cheating after ichijou was concerned and rushed to pick them up

so the secret of kaiji's last flash of inspiration was revealed finally, the idea to tilt the casino's building after hearing its land was weak was just outstanding, then leaving 20 tons of packed water at one side of the building was crazy but genius at the same time... as franzoir mentioned all what is left for kaiji is keep trying and win before the money for pachinko balls is spent and/or the time is up to bring kaiji back to teiai's hell, I have a bad feeling about ichijou trying to tilt the bog again and mess with inclines even more out of desperation, no matter if the customers notice his cheating

...dunno why but in this scene endou and sakazaki reminded me to beavis & buttbead lol

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