To go Vista or to Mac

What you prefer?

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Primula

-プリムラ こいびと
Retired
Well Im considering to get myelf laptop so I can do stuff on the go. I was debating on which to go to a Mac or Windows. It kinda impossible to get XP on comp now since most or now on Vista so I was more toward Mac until yesterday I heard I can turn off that annoying thing on vista that confirming if you want to do this or that constantly. If I find a virus on my comp I WILL HUNT IT DOWN MYSELF hahaha =P. If I get a Mac I will need to use the bootcamp program and install xp on it because of all my programs I got. There was other things...I just cant remember right now =P. Well it be awhile till I buy a laptop so I got time like 1or 2 month before I buy one haha...
 

rusto85

-san
Kouhai
Mac, I have a laptop (selling right now) that has Vista on it. The program is just like XP but with more visuals, and alot of bugs. It's too recent and the Microsoft team has yet to crak it. I'm not a big fan of it right now, make it more stable, and less graphic hungry then I'm on it. If somehow you go with Vista you need at least 2gigs of ram and a chunky video card. Also depending on what you plan on doing the laptop of yours need may be a Vista or Mac. Mac = Editing stuff. Vista = Video games. Your choice, you decide. Do some research and see what fits your needs. Also in some other forums the search button is your best friend.
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Primula

-プリムラ こいびと
Retired
The thing is I do both lol...and I dont want a mac that have vista that kinda defeat the purpose of deciding between the 2..

ummm yea telling use the serch button is your best friend when you telling that to one of the mod that should know that lol haha plus i did alot of research so it like not sure yet now =/. I also know what the other spec i need if i go either one because 1 gb really dont cut it for me 2is alright.

I even watch some of those Mac vs PC on youtube which made unsure which to go =P.
 

Kit-Tsukasa

-desu
Retired
You could always get a vista, uninstall the OS and put in an XP OS, but I guess that would be too complicated and expensive
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If you want an XP really badly, you can get a mac with Boot Camp, which allows you to install as many other OS you like such as Linux, XP, etc...

Otherwise, just go with the Mac, Vista is terrible right now. Until Microsoft gets their act together and actually make the effort to produce a decent version of Vista, it shouldn't even be considered an OS.
 

Primula

-プリムラ こいびと
Retired
I was thinking of that until I heard that if you buy a comp made for Vista and you downgrade to XP the comp will get messup because how it made. Plus I got many OS with my =P lol... a Free Linux OS, XP,Upgrade XP Pro, Windows 2003 ...lol...

This might help in my decision window laptop and a mac laptop how much do they weight lol.
 

InuyashaX

-Hokage
Kouhai
I'd go with Vista, sure it's buggy and pretty useless currently but in the future all XP users will be forced to upgrade to keep up with the latest software. Also with a mac OS your gonna be limited to what software you can use, since not everything is compatible with OSX.
 

zeromaxxx

-chan
Kouhai
Lets see, I have a 13 " Black Mac Notebook which I have been using for 5 months and I prefer it over Micosoft. First off, people may not know about it but Macs do not get viruses
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(so you don't need to but antivirus software that costs thousands of dollars
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) and you dont have to worry about security as much as Vista. Also Macs automatically defragments your hardrive so it always runs smoothly. Deleting applications is also very simple for mac (just drag the icon to the trash and its gone for good-no remnants of the program will remain unlike microsoft os
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). It also automatically detects network and hardwares plugged in so there is no setting up required. The only downside as may know is that it does not have many programs as windows have (i.e. not very ideal for gaming). As for the weight, lets just say I can carry my Macbook with one hand using only my thumb and 3 fingers
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. If you're looking for convenience (as in not much work involve to setup things) then get a Mac. If you don't mind the setting up and the periodical cleaning of the hardrive, then get XP (not Vista)
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But you could always buy a mac and install boot camp to be able to run Windows OS so you have the benefits of both worlds.

P.S. I use a software called vmware fusion that can run parallel(at the same time) any OS you've install on it (i.e. Linux, Vista, XP, 2003, etc.) which can be pretty convenient
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dchaosblade

- Lord of Chaos
Retired
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I've had no problems with vista in the past - and I've got both a desktop and a laptop with it installed - they both work flawlessly. Further, yes, it is possible to turn off the UAC (User Access Control - the thing that makes you give permission every time you do something).

My suggestion though, is that if you go with a laptop with vista, go with the standard edition, not ultimate or premium. Standard is not as graphically pretty (so it uses less resources - which seems to be everyone's complaint though I have never noticed a problem), but it still has the bonuses of faster processing speed and such than XP.

Mac is good (Have 2 mac laptops), but there are many issues with compatibility - especially with games. I don't really see the point of buying a mac and then installing a Windows OS on it, it kinda sounds stupid to me. Those people who buy macs don't buy them b/c of their hardware but b/c of the OS. By putting a Windows OS on the computer, it kinda negates that benefit... Instead, you'll be stuck with a laptop that isn't really upgradeable - on a laptop built for mac, you usually can't upgrade the hardware (RAM, Memory, HD, Video/Sound Cards, etc) - so once what you have gets out of date, you have to buy a whole new laptop...

Either way, I own at least one computer with one of the 3 OS's on it (Mac, XP, and Vista); and find benefits to each. Of the three though, I would say that XP is the least likable - I have more trouble on my XP laptop than I have with my Vista laptop and desktop or my mac laptops.

Edit: I just read zeromaxxx's post, and would like to point out that Vista automatically defrag's your hard drive as well, so that's no longer a hassle; further, both Vista and XP automatically detect hardware, and in many cases do not require any form of installation (in a few cases, software is required to use the hardware, and installation is needed, but this applies to Macs as well, so it's a null point)

One last note, Macintosh computers CAN get viruses. The idea that macs are immune is flawed. The truth is simply that those who make viruses and such make them for Windows OS's b/c they are MUCH more popular than macs. It isn't as profitable to make a virus for a mac, since not nearly as many people use macs. That said, there ARE viruses out there that affect macs, as well as adware and spyware. You should ALWAYS have antivirus/spyware/adware protection on your computer, regardless of the OS. And no antivirus/spyware/adware costs "thousands of dollars". Hell, the best anti spy/adware programs are free; and there are many dependable free antivirus programs as well.
 

zeromaxxx

-chan
Kouhai
QUOTE (dchaosblade @ Dec 28 2007, 05:41 PM)

Edit: I just read zeromaxxx's post, and would like to point out that Vista automatically defrag's your hard drive as well, so that's no longer a hassle; further, both Vista and XP automatically detect hardware, and in many cases do not require any form of installation (in a few cases, software is required to use the hardware, and installation is needed, but this applies to Macs as well, so it's a null point)

One last note, Macintosh computers CAN get viruses. The idea that macs are immune is flawed. The truth is simply that those who make viruses and such make them for Windows OS's b/c they are MUCH more popular than macs. It isn't as profitable to make a virus for a mac, since not nearly as many people use macs. That said, there ARE viruses out there that affect macs, as well as adware and spyware. You should ALWAYS have antivirus/spyware/adware protection on your computer, regardless of the OS. And no antivirus/spyware/adware costs "thousands of dollars". Hell, the best anti spy/adware programs are free; and there are many dependable free antivirus programs as well.
haha the thousands part was an exaggeration
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. It is true that mac can get viruses but its very rare and the OS takes care of it even if it does get a virus (or so I was told
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) I've been using XP for years and frankly I'm tired of it
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I can recall thousands of times where I had a problem with it and it took days to figure out what was wrong
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I also had to reinstall the OS multiple times
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. As for vista, many of my friends had downgraded to XP for the reasons as mentioned above so unless they make it a stable OS its not worth getting in my books (for the record I like how vista looks
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but thats it) . I find mac very convenient for the stuff I do(watch movies, create presentation, etc.) and I had not found problems on it so far (except for ones I caused myself
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). Either way each have benefits and it all depends on what you plan to use the laptop for.
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rusto85

-san
Kouhai
QUOTE (Kansatsusha-sama @ Dec 28 2007, 02:47 PM) The thing is I do both lol...and I dont want a mac that have vista that kinda defeat the purpose of deciding between the 2..

ummm yea telling use the serch button is your best friend when you telling that to one of the mod that should know that lol haha plus i did alot of research so it like not sure yet now =/. I also know what the other spec i need if i go either one because 1 gb really dont cut it for me 2is alright.

I even watch some of those Mac vs PC on youtube which made unsure which to go =P.
oops, sorry
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haven't been on for a while and didn't read your title. hehe. But yeah like most others are saying....Vista is a good program, but it's still glitchy. As I may easily assume, your needs will be high from your laptop. Macs main thing is compatibility, which you can work around. Vista is the future, all the glitches will get worked out. So let's say you go with a Vista (basic) laptop, I'd go with one with an Intel chip....centrino core duo.....don't think that quad core is available yet for laptops. The best laptops I think that run vista and are reliable is the Toshiba satellites.

So 2 things.....Vista basic....Intel chip. 200gb hdd? With this sort of options you will be in the $1200 and up price range.
 

Primula

-プリムラ こいびと
Retired
Let see so far

Mac
lighter weight
For Editing stuff
Can use boot camp to get XP for other programs
Price range is higher than pc
Less chace to catch virus

Vista
system still buggy (it will eventually get fix though)
For Gaming
Able to turn off the Confirmation thing

humm some other stuff i dont remember atm so i put it later
 

Barbobot

-the Pirate King
Retired
I say if you are thinking of trying to install XP on a mac with bootcamp, just stick with windows and vista. I was looking at my roommates mac cause both my roommates replaced their stolen laptops with macs (both of them had XP) before while I stuck with windows. I was comparing the specs of his computer to the windows comp I was looking at and for a comparable computer as far as specs go (ram, processor, hdd,...) the mac was more expensive by a fair amount (500 or so if I remember correctly). So if you are getting a mac and then just end up installing XP/Vista on it anyway it's a waste of money to go with the mac.
 

darkdog

-dredg
Retired
QUOTE One last note, Macintosh computers CAN get viruses. The idea that macs are immune is flawed. The truth is simply that those who make viruses and such make them for Windows OS's b/c they are MUCH more popular than macs.

well, whatever reason it may be, in over 15 years of using macs and 9 years of having an internet connection at home, i am yet to get any kind of virus and malware on my macs. and i have no anti-virus (which are resource drainers and often cause serious issues themselves -- think norton) nor anti-spyware, i don't even think my firewall is on for christ's sake
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i try not to be an apple evangelist, but it's hard not to when i'm this happy with my experience. i installed apple's latest OS, which was out in late october, and despite a few gripes i use it daily without regretting the upgrade at all (oh, did i mention my laptop's nearly 3 years old?).

anyway, buying a mac and installing xp doesn't defeat the purpose. like zeromaxx mentioned, if you buy software like Parallels Desktop or VMWare's Fusion you can use XP and OSX simultaneously -- not one at a time -- and that means you can use the powerful yet easy to use apps you can find on OSX along with the apps that are only available on XP. You might find yourself slowly tending to use OSX the most, you might find yourself sticking to XP or even Vista.. a mac allows you to delay that decision, i guess. Might be a bit more expensive than a common PC, but i don't think a mac book is that expensive anyway.

*end of evangelization
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sorry, i don't seem to be able to avoid it!
 

dchaosblade

- Lord of Chaos
Retired
Iunno, back when I had a mac desktop (about 3 years ago), me and my brother both shared it. At one point, I decided to do a sweep b/c I noticed a drop in our net speed, and found some 100 malwares on the comp (spy/adware); and one minor virus. Even though none of them were devastating, or even all that serious, the fact is that the mac had them - and we used a firewall.

Also, I still say using one of the Windows OS's on a mac computer defeats the purpose of having a mac - at least in some ways.
1) By using a Windows OS on a mac (regardless of if it is parallel processing or individual), you open yourself up to all those viruses and malware that you claim to have never encountered.
2) As was pointed out earlier, apple comps have lower system specs at higher prices than if you bought a different comp - and apple products are for the most part not upgradeable.
3) Running two OS's simultaneously would be one HELL of a lot more draining on your comp than just running one of the OS's (even if it were Vista Ultimate).

I'm not trying to evangelize the Windows aspect either, as I said, I used to run on a mac desktop, and currently have two mac laptops; so I recognize their strong points - I just want to make sure that everyone is aware of all the aspects.
 

darkdog

-dredg
Retired
1) windows viruses will affect the windows part only: if your windows gets infected like hell, shut down windows and you have a perfectly usable mac. You could, for example, open the infected XP without an internet connection and use OSX to download the tools to fix it and look for fixing instructions.

2) a mac laptop is pretty much as upgradeable as a pc laptop.. RAM and HD
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besides, with current generation mac books, both RAM and HD are easily installable by the user itself (here's an official guide on changing the HD, if you're curious.. doesn't void the warranty, as stated in the document), which actually gives it some extra points when compared to pc laptop, IMO.

3) i *think* that running XP and OSX simultaneously would still feel faster than vista, since i've read quite a few reviews about the products i mentioned and speed concerns were not common, but i could be wrong... my suggestion would be give it a try
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and all that detected malware.. could be just tracking cookies, i guess.. that's the most frequent result on pcs as well, and it's platform-independent (as well as quite harmless, at least compared to other kinds of malware). a firewall doesn't protect a pc from cookies anyway
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haseeb

-chan
Kouhai
I voted for vista, even though i hate windows and i cant wait to use something else the thing is that most pc games only work on vista.
 

chickenwing71x

-san
Kouhai
I recently picked up a Toshiba Satellite with a 1.6ghz amd turion64/x2 dual-core processor, 160gb hd, and 1gb ram running Windows Vista Premium for $400. It even had a dvd-ram +/-rw lightscribe dual-layer disc drive. I have a desktop I use most of the time, with much better specs, but this is good for traveling.

I run AVG Free edition antivirus, which is -free- and very lightweight, negligible drain on resources. I defrag every couple nights, and scan about once a week. I have had it since november, use it every day or two, and have never had any problems. I can watch 720p h264 anime, and play a good amount of games, just not some of the really graphically intense ones. So yes, you can run Vista with 1gb ram on a laptop.

One thing I must point out. This is an anime forum, and you being a mod, I assume you watch a lot of anime. You cannot install cccp on a Mac. It will be harder to watch some of the strangely-encoded anime. A mac has a better system for videos than windows does with all the confusing conflicting codecs, but there are some really strange formats that will not play on a mac.

With Vista, you can disable the new drawing system, and revert to windows xp drawing. This way, you will not use any more cpu on graphics than you did in XP.

It is not easy to find good freeware for macs. I love downloading and experimenting with freeware on my windows pc. Theres more options on a pc.

Software is limited on a mac. Yes, you can emulate windows, but that means you have to buy windows. A mac is already a lot more expensive than a windows laptop, so when you add in the cost of windows, its twice as expensive as a basic windows laptop.

Any viruses windows receives can usually be dealt with easily. If you take care of the computer, scan/defrag once in a while, and avoid questionable websites and file-sharing software (limewire, kazaa), you can run it for years with no problems.

A mac has its good points as well. They have decent customer support, and it is generally error free. There aren't as many options, but that means most of the time it is pretty safe to install new hardware. Since apple is strict on third party hardware, it is generally pretty safe. Very few crashes. As a bonus, you can join the elitist mac enthusiasts.

If all you want to do is play video/audio encoded in common formats, type into a word processor, and surf the web, either works. When you want to get into more graphics-oriented things, a mac has great image/video editing software. Windows is more customizable, and vastly more compatible with software and games.

Mac: Fewer errors and simpler interface. But you sacrifice your money and compatibility. Remember, with a mac, apple owns the market, and charges whatever they like. But, you can pretty much bet it won't crash.

Windows: More virus/error prone, but cheaper and better compatibility. Easier to upgrade and if you know what you're doing, can be as good as a mac in terms of efficiency and reliability.

I vote for Vista, mainly for compatibility. More developer-friendly as well (but if you're into that, linux is the way to go).

Sorry for the long disorganized post. I just find the mac vs pc debate very interesting. By the way, theres some great spoofs of the mac commercials on youtube.
 

BreakTheChains

-chan
Kouhai
I was going to write a whole rant for this and explain in detail all of the reasons why Mac is better but it would be like, the thousandth time so I'm not going to. I will say that when I have to use Vista I feel like someone stuck me with a tranquilizer or something.
 

snorky2k

-san
Kouhai
I would recommend cutting back on the defrags with a laptop and only defrag while on external power. Defragging may reduce response time but it will increase heat. Defragging for a few minutes a night may not be bad. But, if you are defragging a long time each day, your drive must be kept cool or its life will be severly shortened.

I have a PC and have worked with DOS, Windows, MAC, Linux, Unix, Xenix, VMS, WMS, and other special purpose OS's that normal computers don't have. I still love the MAC commercials. I don't think that PC's are bad though.
 

oppai-ga-suki

-sama
Sempai
In my opinion all operating systems have their advantages and disadvantages. As for Vista, I installed it on my computer which used to be xp and I have never had a problem with it, it even runs smoother than when I had xp. I used to be one of the skeptics about vista because of all the negativeness towrads but it has really impressed me because I have not had a single problem since I installed it.
The only thing I truly dislike about Macs is that you have to buy an apple computer just to use it because you cnat install it on a regular computer.
 
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