Time-locking Threads

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daft27

-nya
Retired
A possible new feature coming soon:

Depending on which forum you are posting in, posting in a thread may lock you from posting again for a fixed period of time. For example, if I post in the "Welcome to the NHK" thread in the Anime & Mangas forum, I will not be able to post again in that specific thread for several hours in that thread.

This is designed to reduce chatter and allow other people to reply.

Various forums may have different time-locking settings. For example, all the Troubleshooting and Support forums will have no time-locking.
 

alchemist11

-dono
Kouhai
my opinion on this:
actually its not a good idea cause say for instance i write something maybe a SPOILER statement about Air Gear in the "Air Gear" thread and then somebody else wants to know more about what i'm talking about or they have a question about that statement relating to the topic..i wouldn't be able to answer...and this would slow down the nuimber of people using the forums in this site.
 

wittyfox

→√wittyfox=god Since god²=ME
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hours?
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but i heard of like forums when u cant double post AT all. so once u post you cant post again untill some elses post a reply. maybe thats a better idea

i think stoping people from posting for hours would slow down the thread alot. which could be a bad thing cause once every one has said whatever and posted, no one can then post again in the same threads, so for hours lots of people whouldnt be able to really use the forum.
 

Bold

-kenja sama
Retired
QUOTE (noob @ Aug 13 2006, 08:12 PM) How about the edit feature? Can you post something then edit it?
Yes you will be able to edit. The idea of this feature is encline people to use the edit in order to make one complete post instead of doing 3 or 4 small incomplete posts
 

Dragon-of-Rune

-Jigoku Sensei
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I agree with this, it save's me the trouble of telling people to post only once in a while in a specific thread. Or say to keep the talk on PM or MSN
 

alchemist11

-dono
Kouhai
only ok...if not hours but minutes..

btw: i knew you MODs would agree with this...always sucking up to the leader thats how it is....pathetic.

Moderator Note: I knew that your where going to say this. So next time only think this and don't post it because the next time i will just delete it!!!
 

daft27

-nya
Retired
QUOTE (alchemist11 @ Aug 13 2006, 09:07 PM) btw: i knew you MODs would agree with this...always sucking up to the leader thats how it is....pathetic.
This idea has been discussed already in private with the sempais and moderators. Almost everybody agrees that it's a good idea and the only thing that's disputed is the length of time. A large impetus for this rule is the need for LESS moderation, and obviously the ones who would gain the most from that would be those with moderating powers.
 

darkdog

-dredg
Retired
well, if we didn't have similar opinions to daft's, we wouldn't be mods in the first place, would we. it's all a matter of logic.

the pathetic part is that, just because we don't let you play by your rules, you turn against us like that. please don't waste our time, keep those thoughts to yourself.
 

alchemist11

-dono
Kouhai
somehow both of you peeps are contradicting yourselves.

"A large impetus for this rule is the need for LESS moderation, and obviously the ones who would gain the most from that would be those with moderating powers." and "well, if we didn't have similar opinions to daft's, we wouldn't be mods in the first place, would we." both are opposites.
 

jul10

-mokyu
Retired
I think it is a good idea, in order to reduce the possibilty to people who only always post in short form (1-2 sentences) and it also closes the possibility to people who double post.

O yeah, I also think that the hours of the thread will be 'locked' should be announced and discussed. Since different thread have different purpose, and some people usually visits some thread more often than the other threads.
 

Kit-Tsukasa

-desu
Retired
i say this is a good idea since it helps prevents people from double/triple posting so that they would have to edit their posts if they wanted to say something else. also will one be able to post after someone else has replied. for example if person A posted and then person B posted like 2 minutes later, will person A be able to post again? daft, u kind of lost me on the part where u said that person will not be able to post in that same thread again for several hours.
 

hamasusuke

-aniue
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Just get the general idea of the time-lock itself. Even if you get locked for awhile, you can still discuss a topic all in one post. plus, you can still write in other threads to keep you company.

other than that, the time-lock shouldn't be as long as you think. a conversational topic would last only the first hour or so, but it couldn't be that long.
 

Primula

-プリムラ こいびと
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I think it a good and bad idea. The bad part is when you post and someone say something to you you wont beable to say anything untill those hours is up. Another bad part is when you posting pictures or doujin(which I will be doing soon once I finish sorting out my pics) you will only post 15 pic and you wont beable to post anymore for that set period of time.

Well good part the mod will have less things to do and be more like just regular members. People wont beable double/triple post.

Had some other thoughs but errr I forgot
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Bold

-kenja sama
Retired
QUOTE (jul10 @ Aug 13 2006, 10:20 PM) O yeah, I also think that the hours of the thread will be 'locked' should be announced and discussed. Since different thread have different purpose, and some people usually visits some thread more often than the other threads.
I think there is a misunderstanding about the "locking" part.

Person A post in a thread. Person A can't post for the next lets say 10 hours.
Person B comes 3 hours after person 1, he can post. But after he posted one post, he won't be able to do a second one before 10 hours. (Meaning 13 hours after the original post or person 1).

When person A comes back after his 10 hours, he can post again, but person B still has 3 hours to wait to make another post (possibly a response to person A's post).


QUOTE (Kit-Tsukasa)Also will one be able to post after someone else has replied. Normally the time would be "hard time". Meanig another post won't "unlock" your ability to post. Because the concept is to allow MULTIPLE people to answer your post.

As it was mentionned before, this is a FORUM. Not a chatroom or instant message. Forums are designed to shared ideas around a subject. So it involves a comunication method closer to writen discussion rather than spoken discussion. In other words, forums are half way between someone talking and a short article in a magazine.


QUOTE Another bad part is when you posting pictures or doujin The time lock will not be enabled on all forums. Only those where it is appropriate.
 

wittyfox

→√wittyfox=god Since god²=ME
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QUOTE The time lock will not be enabled on all forums. Only those where it is appropriate.
who decides that? what if the starter of a thread doesnt want a thread lock?


QUOTE As it was mentionned before, this is a FORUM. Not a chatroom or instant message
if thats true why even have threads like "what ru doing" still open on this FORUM. i dont always understand the problem with double posting or fast reply, is it that bad? when a person likes to spam with dumb comments yes i understand but if its meaningfull i dont think u should stop a person from saying it. A forum to me isnt spoken or written like a newspaper, it goes as fast as it likes or as slow, u shouldnt restrict it to form it to your rules of what a forum is. just let it be, it is on the internet after all and theres nothing like it. the reason why newspapers are so slow coming out cause it takes time and money, but what if u could skip all that every thing was right there hardly anywork at all, all u had to do was find the story and write about it, and as quick as it came u could send it. no magazine or newspaper could do that so comparing a forum to them is kinda silly. why slow your self down when u could go as fast as u like we are in 2006 after all. the problem i can understand is as fast as u can comment the faster another person can spam taking it for granted, and when a person does do that you have mods, but mods can only do so much i know. so ur left with getting new mods, or slowing down the proces as u have suggested. so its not a mean or dumb idea i just dont agree with it

with that being said this is what i see with a 10 hour wait .....

Person A post in a thread. Person A can't post for the next lets say 10 hours.
Person B comes 5 mins after person 1, he can post. But after he posted one post, he won't be able to do a second one before 10 hours. (Meaning 13 hours after the original post or person 1).

When person A comes back after 3o mins to a hour he sees someone else has posted and really wants to post again ( somthing meaningfull hopfully) but he cant, he has 9 more hours to wait, person A gets mad waiting and starts a thread about how much he hates this or spams a mod wtih pms. person B comes back feels the same way post in the same hate thread and starts trouble. soon every one hates it and leaves and the forum stops going anyway expect for help topics, then MODS your jobs would be alot easier i must say
 

Anime-Addict

-dono
Sempai
QUOTE (alchemist11 @ Aug 13 2006, 07:07 PM) only ok...if not hours but minutes..

btw: i knew you MODs would agree with this...always sucking up to the leader thats how it is....pathetic.

Moderator Note: I knew that your where going to say this. So next time only think this and don't post it because the next time i will just delete it!!!
Im not a mod - And I agree. While I see several hours as being a ineffecient time, possibly less, It will in the long run reduce traffic. After pondering and running as few simulations I came up with the following.

Forum Traffic as a wholw will not drop. Such a system, when implimented, will just change the format posts will be in. This will drop the "post count" per day that many prople are proud to acheive, at the benifit of more concise, informative posts. But, as is the case with any restriction system, there are detrimental effects as well. In an attempt for users to add more information to their posts in relation to later posts, they will create a break in the logical flow of information, potentially causing more of a problem than what we are trying to solve. Essentially you will start to see posts topics where edited posts acctually answer a question before it is asked, renering the later post redundant. Its these redundant posts that we are trying to elimiate correct?

As a remedial action, i suggest a "Hybrid" Approach. A anti-double posting rule could be added, while trouble "chatter" topics have the time-lock rule placed on them by the staff/mod/senpai's. A perfect canadate for this would be the "What Are You Doing" and "What Are You Listening To" topics in the General Forum, wivh i have noticed certain users "Farming" for post count. I myself never resorted to such tactics, and as a point of pride, I attempt to keep my posts as informative and concise as possible.

So there you have it, While it is not a bad idea, it may need to be applied in a very limited fashon, to prevent a "feedback" situation wich may renew the problem we are trying to solve.

On a Side Note: I am very impressed with the management of the forums here. many other forums only impliment procedures such as this as a last ditch effort to preserve bandwidth, whereas Daft is all about logical information flow and neatness. I belive I commentted on the professional cleanlyness of FTV in general before, and it stands true to this day as well.

EDIT: Gah, again i roll off and post without reading others opinions. I really have to stop doing that, but in this instance i was lucky! The following are a few additional ideas.

As N00b, and some of teh other Mods have pointed out, it seems not to be an issue of frequent posting at all. From what I gather, the pet peeve of the Mod staff are one-liners. Or someone who posts two sentences, but splits em up with carrage returns to get their full avatar and signature. If this is the case than this really is the wrong way to go about it. While it is an ingenious idea, it really is too restrictive overall. So I had the idea of a minimum charecter count for posts. Simplistic at its best, it can be modified to your standards, such as a minimum charecter count per sentence, minimum sentence count, why one could go all the way to minimum paragraph count, with all of the previous rules applyed as well. This allows users to post frequently, but forces them to insert relevant information SOMEHOW. Admittedly some members will attempt to get around this by pressing random keys on ther keyboard, or writing something to the effect of "Had to put this sentence in there so i could post it, the rules are gay here", but that is blatantly obvious, and can result in administrative action my the moderation staff. I feel that you current member base will me much more accepting of this idea, rather than the time lock one. It seems to be an issue of Gag/silence/muting. It inheriently is very rude and offensive to be "Silenced" Placed in a solitary world. However being forced to have an informative post, can cause members to give up posting (cant come up woth enough text to meet teh requirements) but inherently they arent "gagged".

EDIT2: Holy Bajeuz! Yes I typed a key off my Saitek keyboard. My D key flew off an for a while was occupying a inacessable space between the wall and my Tuff Box. Useless information I know, but the last time I posted here in VOC I typed a tome also and wore several letters off my keyboard! Just though you all would get some humor out of it.
 

Angerfist

-dono
Kouhai
Hmm I agree with Alchemist on this one. Besides I think the forum will be unattractive to look at then since people are going to spend their time diferent instead of hanging and posting around here.
 

wwwwww

-chibi kami sama
Retired
i shall remain neutral as i believe both sides actually have good and bad points.......
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just saw this
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btw: i knew you MODs would agree with this...always sucking up to the leader thats how it is....pathetic.
your choice of words are not very appropriate
 

Anime-Addict

-dono
Sempai
QUOTE (Angerfist @ Aug 14 2006, 01:09 AM) Hmm I agree with Alchemist on this one. Besides I think the forum will be unattractive to look at then since people are going to spend their time diferent instead of hanging and posting around here.
I an not sure how the Time Lock would change the look of the forums. Would you mind explaining your statement a little more in-depth for clarification Angerfist-san?
 
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