QUOTE (uglyducklingforever @ Apr 20 2008, 09:56 PM)"Shit happened, here we are, live with it."
It's true. No point in "wasting" your life just because you "might" be living in a "false" world. There are an infinite number of possibilities which explain what "reality" is, yet also explains our personal experiences as we see them. The way I see it, you should make the most of what you think you have. Even if it ends up being a ploy, at least you didn't take the far greater risk of wasting your life away for no reason whatsoever.
QUOTE (monsta666 @ Apr 20 2008, 06:37 PM)I disagree with you here. I believe what is right and wrong is largely determined by the norms of society. We can commit "wrong" acts if we want but it is society that deems what is wrong and right. Such things stems from societies views on ethics. If society had no ethics then there would be no right and wrong, at least in the moral sense of the word.
I'd have to disagree yet again. I'd have to argue, and I have modern psychology to back me up on this, that *some* people base their morals off of the norms of society, *some* people base right and wrong off of personal conviction of the world with society's norms just being a subset of that. *Some* people base right and wrong solely off of whether or not they'll get punished for it (children, mostly, and a few [*cough* messed up! *cough*] adults).
Take, for example, a gay couple getting (or at least trying to get married) in an area where such rights are forbidden. Society would see it as wrong. Me (along with a heckuva lotta other people) would have no problem with it. Hence, a relative form of "right" and "wrong". I wouldn't dare base my morals off the norms of society. That can be a very, very dangerous road. (augh! group-think is death!)
QUOTE (monsta666 @ Apr 20 2008, 06:37 PM)This was a response to outl-w_monsum's statement that IF we knew everything we would realise how ignorant we are hence what is the point in learning. At least that was the point I think they were trying to make (it could be yet another misunderstanding).
Hence the phrase, "ignorance is bliss". Take Professor Duckling's Matrix example for example, remember that traitorous dude who wanted nothing more than to have his memories wiped, get voiped back into the matrix as a rich movie-star, and go on as if nothing had happened? Why wouldn't he want that? You can't be distraught by something you are completely unaware of (and I mean COMPLETELY unaware).
...and, reverting back to personal opinion here, I've got to add that ignorance is truly the one thing I hate in this world. Why? I ask myself the same question and have a lot of trouble coming up with a definitive answer. I guess you can just chock it up to personal preference, but I'll say that ignorance does far more harm than can be justified by the individuals "bliss" of being unaware of the "truth". (I'm sorry, I've just got to put "truth" in quotes on this thread. "truth" is just too dang vague in this context).
QUOTE (uglyducklingforever @ Apr 20 2008, 09:56 PM)Another note. It seems like every time I see Monsta666, I picture a hobbling old man, for some reason, you seem like an old man to me. Are you an old man, sir?
Seriously, I don't know what's up with that.
wha? Unless monsta' is a liar, he's only a year older than me, and, seeing some of your postages, I'm only a few years older than you. I don't think that exactly justifies the phrase "hobbling old man", unless of course you consider yourself to be quite the decrepit old man yourself.
It's true. No point in "wasting" your life just because you "might" be living in a "false" world. There are an infinite number of possibilities which explain what "reality" is, yet also explains our personal experiences as we see them. The way I see it, you should make the most of what you think you have. Even if it ends up being a ploy, at least you didn't take the far greater risk of wasting your life away for no reason whatsoever.
QUOTE (monsta666 @ Apr 20 2008, 06:37 PM)I disagree with you here. I believe what is right and wrong is largely determined by the norms of society. We can commit "wrong" acts if we want but it is society that deems what is wrong and right. Such things stems from societies views on ethics. If society had no ethics then there would be no right and wrong, at least in the moral sense of the word.
I'd have to disagree yet again. I'd have to argue, and I have modern psychology to back me up on this, that *some* people base their morals off of the norms of society, *some* people base right and wrong off of personal conviction of the world with society's norms just being a subset of that. *Some* people base right and wrong solely off of whether or not they'll get punished for it (children, mostly, and a few [*cough* messed up! *cough*] adults).
Take, for example, a gay couple getting (or at least trying to get married) in an area where such rights are forbidden. Society would see it as wrong. Me (along with a heckuva lotta other people) would have no problem with it. Hence, a relative form of "right" and "wrong". I wouldn't dare base my morals off the norms of society. That can be a very, very dangerous road. (augh! group-think is death!)
QUOTE (monsta666 @ Apr 20 2008, 06:37 PM)This was a response to outl-w_monsum's statement that IF we knew everything we would realise how ignorant we are hence what is the point in learning. At least that was the point I think they were trying to make (it could be yet another misunderstanding).
Hence the phrase, "ignorance is bliss". Take Professor Duckling's Matrix example for example, remember that traitorous dude who wanted nothing more than to have his memories wiped, get voiped back into the matrix as a rich movie-star, and go on as if nothing had happened? Why wouldn't he want that? You can't be distraught by something you are completely unaware of (and I mean COMPLETELY unaware).
...and, reverting back to personal opinion here, I've got to add that ignorance is truly the one thing I hate in this world. Why? I ask myself the same question and have a lot of trouble coming up with a definitive answer. I guess you can just chock it up to personal preference, but I'll say that ignorance does far more harm than can be justified by the individuals "bliss" of being unaware of the "truth". (I'm sorry, I've just got to put "truth" in quotes on this thread. "truth" is just too dang vague in this context).
QUOTE (uglyducklingforever @ Apr 20 2008, 09:56 PM)Another note. It seems like every time I see Monsta666, I picture a hobbling old man, for some reason, you seem like an old man to me. Are you an old man, sir?
Seriously, I don't know what's up with that.
wha? Unless monsta' is a liar, he's only a year older than me, and, seeing some of your postages, I'm only a few years older than you. I don't think that exactly justifies the phrase "hobbling old man", unless of course you consider yourself to be quite the decrepit old man yourself.
