Stereotypes and Problems in our society..


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koiji

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I am sure that the title explains it all. After a recent discussion in the "suicide?" topic, I have created this new topic to discuss stereotypes and also various problems that we believe have a grasp on our current society. Any headlines?
 
The world is a confusing place so people often make generalisations. When it comes to people it is quite common to make generalisations on a community of people, thus stereotypes are born. Quite a few stereotypes have an element of truth but as they are gross generalisations they are ultimately wrong (bit like Chinese whispers). Despite these inaccuracies people carry on to use them. Why? Because it is easier to follow them than to find real truths or perhaps they want to carry out their own agendas. Here are a few examples:

Africans: Lazy
Americans: Stupid and violent (gullible?)
English: Hate change, stuck in the past
Germans: Racist, efficient
Japanese: Workaholics don't know how to have fun
Jewish: Greedy, steal peoples' money
Italians: Lovers, arrogant
Indians/Pakistanis: All work in convenience stores
Muslims: Terrorists

Notice how nearly all these stereotypes are negative? Why do you think this is the case? Perhaps it is to encourage bigotry and prejudice. Okay so there are some positive stereotypes out there but I'm pretty sure most stereotypes are negative ones. It would be interesting to know how these generalisations came about.

QUOTE Btw, how old are you anyways?

Check my profile or better still check my blog! The blog is called monsta-rama by the way.

FINAL NOTE: I do not support these stereotypes! I just know they exist.
 
QUOTE Muslims: Terrorists

I have to say this is one i hate the most. I mean, as you said, most stereotypes are negative, and depending on how this one is viewed it could be either:

Asians (chinese/japanese/korean (etc..)): Geniuses


This could be an example of a positive stereotype. Although it bugs me when people say to a middle eastern person, "oh no, you are not asain! you're middle eastern!" Honestly people. Do you know where the middle east is? In ASIA! Although the stereotype i posted above can be viewed as positive, there are a few asians I know who take that as an insult and become violently angry when someone accuses them of being smart just because they're asian. Hence, it can be taken as either good or bad.


QUOTE Although it bugs me when people say to a middle easter, "oh no, you are not asain! you're middle eastern!" Honestly people. Do you know where the middle east is? In ASIA!

..Yes, I quoted myself.. But another thing that I believe is a problem in our modern society, is ignorance. Not saying anyone specific is ignorant, but the way people view things shows a great lack of intelligence. You pretty much show you know nothing about geography when you say that a person from the middle east isnt Asian, well newsflash, the middle east is not and never will be its own continent/country/etc... Pull out a map if you must but do not mock, ridicule, and embarrass yourself by saying something so close minded and ignorant, simply because middle easterns, such as myself, do not fit the typical description of a "pure asian".
I believe our society is ignorant (as i said, not calling any ONE person ignorant) becuase that is the way they choose to be. The make those of other races and ethnicities scapegoats because they dont want to face up to the challenges of life and pay for their mistakes. No one is perfect, and we all no that, but no one should be allowed the right to blame their problems on others and no one should have to be subject to society's bias and prejudice ways.
 
Well anyone who thinks Americans are unnecessarily violent need to get their facts straight. Americans have never, EVER, been unnecessarily violent, unless of course you count the individual crimes of one individual. To make my point true here are examples that may have led to the conclusion that we are unnecessarily violent:

1. Iraq War. Necessary due to the fact that Al-Queda, were funded and given training by Saddam Hussein, killed over 2000 Americans for no particular reason except for the fact that we are Infidels.

2. Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Necessary, WWII was turning into genocide and the USA had the balls to step up and do something about it. Germany was massacring MILLIONS of Jews for no reason whatsoever. Japan was moving about the Pacific conquering countries for their own selfish gain. (I however love modern day Japan dont get me wrong.
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3. Vietnam. Communism is a terrible, TERRIBLE thing. Just look at Russia and China. Russia has an unstable military and economy. They are under control of the Russian Mafia who get money buy exploiting innocent children by creating child pornography. China is aborting, which IS MURDER, millions of babies each year because you can only have 2 children.

Need I say more? If you contradict me I will try to prove you wrong!
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P.S. I have no intention of riling up everyone and to get flamed for my beliefs.
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1. Iraq War. Necessary due to the fact that Al-Queda, were funded and given training by Saddam Hussein, killed over 2000 Americans for no particular reason except for the fact that we are Infidels.

I think it's a good illustration of what koiji was saying about ignorance.
Or can we add gullible to the stereotypes about Americans.
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(No, we can't, but reading things like that, it itches)

The two other reasons are as stupid, but it's not the good thread to start an historical debate (or rather a debate between reality and far-right fantasy).


Well, let's go back to the main subject, stereotypes.

As Monsta and koiji, I can't agree with the various racial stereotypes that exist in the world (because they're, you know, completely wrong).

But stereotyping, categorizing is a very useful tool to know the world.
We need to create some abstractions and to attach some likely properties to them. For example if we see a snake, we will go to the stereotype 'dangerous' until we know better. Even if it's a completely innocuous snake, it's a wise move until we know better.
And we all do that, for some things.
I'm not expressing myself very well, but I hope you catch my idea.

Of course, it can also have bad sides.
Firstly, you have to be quite sure the stereotype is true.
Secondly, you must be able to precise or to change your stereotypes when experience contradict them. And that can be really difficult, even for open-minded people.
 
The world has a history of horrible acts. But, you seem to be reading disputed information.

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1. Iraq War. Necessary due to the fact that Al-Queda, were funded and given training by Saddam Hussein, killed over 2000 Americans for no particular reason except for the fact that we are Infidels.


Al-Queda hated Hussein more than we did. He did not rule by sharia law. We attacked Iraq the first time because Iraq invaded Kuwait to shut down the wells that were slant drilling into Iraq and reducing the amount of oil that Iraq's wells could produce. It would not have even have been an issue if the wells that were sucking the oil were not partially owned by the son of the president of the United states and at least one of the sons of the Saudi King. Those wells were also the ones that were set on fire when the Iraqi's withdrew and were the real reason for our return to Iraq for revenge in Iraq war II. Al-quaida attacked the US because we put soldiers on land in a manner that offended their religious beliefs.


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2. Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Necessary, WWII was turning into genocide and the USA had the balls to step up and do something about it. Germany was massacring MILLIONS of Jews for no reason whatsoever. Japan was moving about the Pacific conquering countries for their own selfish gain. (I however love modern day Japan dont get me wrong. )


Dark side of human nature. I had a boss who lost his family in either Hiroshima or Nagasaki. I don't know if a nuclear bomb that kills so many so quickly is much worse than the incendiary bombs that were dropped in such high volumes that they cause fire tornadoes.
Prejudice and the practice of dehumanizing the enemy occurred on both sides with all the parties getting out of control. Much like what is happening in Africa now, the US did not care much about the atrocities that Japan was committing in Asia until it started biting into our supplies of rubber when our attempt to grow rubber in south america failed. Many of our wealthier citizens had investments in british companies in china that were being threatened and we began moving heavy power into asia even though memories off WWI made it tough for americans to agree to prepare for another war.
Japan attacked on the last day that an attack of that type was possible. B-17 bombers with fuel capacity to patrol hawaii for hours and bomb carriers before they came in range arrived at Hickem field just as the attack was under way. PBY's were also already at hawaii to help scout ships before they got to hawaii but apparently not in use at the time. Prejudice and stupity enabled the Japanese to take the chain of islands necessary for other B-17 groups to hop to Singapore to be ready to incendiary bomb japanese cities. Some of the islands fell because we thought that the japanese could not see at night because of the shape of their eyes. We put all the protective weaponry on the sides of the islands with the lights believing that they would run into the lights and instead that part of the attack started before dawn on the wrong side of the island. Japan had a good intelligence operation. They probably knew when the B-17 groups were training in Canada that they had to attack before they arrived.
What finally tipped truman into dropping the nukes was two hot air balloons that Japan launched into the jetstream with incendiary bombs to cause forest fires here. The bombs made it all the way to Michigan and most have still not been found. A third balloon was to believed to be ready to be released with smallpox. At that point in the war we could have carpet bombed japan's cities with incendiary bombs. But, a few japanese loyalists may have launched the smallpox as a parting shot like the sub that was sent from germany to help the japanese with nuclear preparations. The nukes were a threat made out of fear that we could only win if we made those who would hold out to the death give up to save the cities that we held hostage with the nukes.



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3. Vietnam. Communism is a terrible, TERRIBLE thing. Just look at Russia and China. Russia has an unstable military and economy. They are under control of the Russian Mafia who get money buy exploiting innocent children by creating child pornography. China is aborting, which IS MURDER, millions of babies each year because you can only have 2 children.


Is Russia communist now? If you want to cut down on porn, stop giving the priests money to buy it.
 
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Is Russia communist now?

Neither is China, by the way.
 
I should have elaborated on the point I made earlier. The world is a confusing place and one of the most instinctive things is for people to categorise things. We do this in everything from anime, sports to science and even everyday life. Such things are often quite useful and help us understand the world better. Like everything in life if we categorise (generalise) too many things it can become dangerous.

The main weakness in making generalisations is you simply matters. If this is dealing with a complex issue such things break down as we make bigger assumptions. As a result stereotypes should only be used as guides and people should change their opinions based on experiences. At best stereotypes can only be used until one obtains more concrete facts on the subject matter. Unfortunately this requires people to change their attitudes. This can be quite difficult especially if the person is unwilling to change (due to strong beliefs) or are too lazy to do so (changing habits especially mental ones can be difficult). Ultimately people continue to use stereotypes (despite their weaknesses) out of ignorance.
 
QUOTE Well anyone who thinks Americans are unnecessarily violent need to get their facts straight. Americans have never, EVER, been unnecessarily violent, unless of course you count the individual crimes of one individual. To make my point true here are examples that may have led to the conclusion that we are unnecessarily violent:

1. Iraq War. Necessary due to the fact that Al-Queda, were funded and given training by Saddam Hussein, killed over 2000 Americans for no particular reason except for the fact that we are Infidels.

2. Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Necessary, WWII was turning into genocide and the USA had the balls to step up and do something about it. Germany was massacring MILLIONS of Jews for no reason whatsoever. Japan was moving about the Pacific conquering countries for their own selfish gain. (I however love modern day Japan dont get me wrong. tongue.gif

..*sighs*.. I am sure I do not have to elaborate much on the Iraq war and Hiroshima and Nagasaki because the past posts have done that, and very well might I add!
Also, if I am correct Hitler and the Nazis massacred the Jews in WWI. (but not entirely sure..sad to say i dont remember..but...)



QUOTE Well, let's go back to the main subject, stereotypes.

As Monsta and koiji, I can't agree with the various racial stereotypes that exist in the world (because they're, you know, completely wrong).

But stereotyping, categorizing is a very useful tool to know the world.
We need to create some abstractions and to attach some likely properties to them. For example if we see a snake, we will go to the stereotype 'dangerous' until we know better. Even if it's a completely innocuous snake, it's a wise move until we know better.
And we all do that, for some things.
I'm not expressing myself very well, but I hope you catch my idea.

Of course, it can also have bad sides.
Firstly, you have to be quite sure the stereotype is true.
Secondly, you must be able to precise or to change your stereotypes when experience contradict them. And that can be really difficult, even for open-minded people.

another *sigh*... You gave an example of "good" stereotyping, but if you tell that to people who love snakes and reptiles (etc..) they'd get pretty upset with that stereotype. Because, most of the time, it is said that a snake is more afraid of people, than we are of them. (do the research) But yes, you did make a good point bout whether or not its poisonous is something we dont know.. Stereotyping is of course never going to go away, BUT many of the negative stereotypes that attack various races and ethnicities need to be stopped because, as I am sure you agree with me on this one, it is utterly immoral.
So you might have been jumping the gun on saying that, "monsta and koiji are completely wrong."


QUOTE The world has a history of horrible acts. But, you seem to be reading disputed information.

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1. Iraq War. Necessary due to the fact that Al-Queda, were funded and given training by Saddam Hussein, killed over 2000 Americans for no particular reason except for the fact that we are Infidels.


Al-Queda hated Hussein more than we did. He did not rule by sharia law. We attacked Iraq the first time because Iraq invaded Kuwait to shut down the wells that were slant drilling into Iraq and reducing the amount of oil that Iraq's wells could produce. It would not have even have been an issue if the wells that were sucking the oil were not partially owned by the son of the president of the United states and at least one of the sons of the Saudi King. Those wells were also the ones that were set on fire when the Iraqi's withdrew and were the real reason for our return to Iraq for revenge in Iraq war II. Al-quaida attacked the US because we put soldiers on land in a manner that offended their religious beliefs.

Thank you for shedding light on that. I couldn't be happier!


QUOTE Well anyone who thinks Americans are unnecessarily violent need to get their facts straight. Americans have never, EVER, been unnecessarily violent, unless of course you count the individual crimes of one individual.

Honestly buddy, no single race is perfect! None! Nada! Zero! Cero! (i think you get the point..) To say that America has NEVER been violent, is as others before me have said, VERY IGNORANT and is a very good example of ethnocentrism in our society. There isnt much more for me to say because, those who have posted before me and myself, HAVE CLEARLY made our point!
 
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Also, if I am correct Hitler and the Nazis massacred the Jews in WWI. (but not entirely sure..sad to say i dont remember..but...)

No, WWII. It doesn't make theEnd's comment truer.



QUOTE another *sigh*... You gave an example of "good" stereotyping, but if you tell that to people who love snakes and reptiles (etc..) they'd get pretty upset with that stereotype.

Because the snake-lovers would use the stereotype saying that someone fearing something also hates or find it gross ?
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My point was just that stereotypes was good to know some likely properties of an object/being, based on previous experiences with similar objects/beings. I know that it can be badly used (and I've a problem with those bad uses. Although I'm not immune against it), but I don't think we can throw everything away.

About the racial stereotypes, re-read my post. I said "As Monsta and Kouiji, I can't agree with those stereotypes", so I agree with you (maybe I should have used 'like monsta' instead of as, I'm confusing those two after midnight).
 
Ah, yes. WWII. Thanks for correcting me.

QUOTE Because the snake-lovers would use the stereotype saying that someone fearing something also hates or find it gross ? wink.gif

Its not that. Snake lovers get angry when people think they are ALL dangerous and they are ALL monsters and...(you pretty much get it I'm sure) I mean, just like saying that all blonds are dumb, or all asians are smart, just because a few, or maybe more than a few, alot may be fit the stereotype, there are so many that do not. Asians that are stupider than compost and blonds that have an IQ of 3000! (exaggerating obviously)


QUOTE My point was just that stereotypes was good to know some likely properties of an object/being, based on previous experiences with similar objects/beings. I know that it can be badly used (and I've a problem with those bad uses. Although I'm not immune against it), but I don't think we can throw everything away.


I am glad to know we see eye to eye on SOMETHING. Lol, I was afraid we would end up debating and arguing about EVERYTHING and eventually end up hating each other.


QUOTE About the racial stereotypes, re-read my post. I said "As Monsta and Kouiji, I can't agree with those stereotypes", so I agree with you (maybe I should have used 'like monsta' instead of as, I'm confusing those two after midnight).

Lol, I'm sure I dont have to explain what I thought you meant. But looks like another thing we agree on. Good to know. And get some sleep. Actually, I could use a bit of that myself.

Im not sure we can bring a close to stereotypes for now. Can we? Unless someone would like to bring up a specific stereotype and debate about it. If not, we can turn to other societal problems, for i am certain that many of you have noticed a vast amount of those. Unless someone else would like to "restart" the discussion over the "emo" stereotype, or as I said, various societal problems. A few that recently popped into my head were racism and ethnocentrism. Whats the difference?

Racism- hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
Ethnocentrism- the belief in the inherent superiority of one's own ethnic group or culture; a tendency to view alien groups or cultures from the perspective of one's own.

See the difference? The way people from all over constantly make vandal remarks about how they're culture or religion is better or how you here many peoples constant bashing of Judaism and Islam and other religions. As I have said many times before, it's not right. And its as I said earlier how no one race/ethnicity is superior to another and clearly proves my point of how close minded and ethnocentric people can be.
 
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I thank you all for replying to my messages with your own opinions as this is what I assumed would happen. You see, I wrote those expressing my own views and opinions and you wrote me back with yours. I do have one thing to say after looking over some of them and noticing that a few posts were saying that China is'nt Communist when in fact they are. While I do agree that they technically are not "fully" Communist, they are in fact some sort of Communist one way or another. Some examples:

"While China today has attained a relatively high degree of personal and economic freedoms, political freedom is still tightly controlled by both central and local governments."

"The government has a policy of limiting some protests and organizations that it considers a threat to social stability and national unity, as was the case with the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989."

"The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, widely known as the Tiananmen Square Massacre, in China referred to as the June Fourth Incident to avoid confusion with the two other Tiananmen Square protests and as an act of official censorship[citation needed], were a series of demonstrations led by labor activists, students, and intellectuals in the People's Republic of China (PRC) between April 15 and June 4, 1989. While the protests lacked a unified cause or leadership, participants were generally against the authoritarianism and economic policies of the ruling Chinese Communist Party and voiced calls for democratic reform within the structure of the government. The demonstrations centered on Tiananmen Square in Beijing, but large-scale protests also occurred in cities throughout China, including Shanghai, which stayed peaceful throughout the protests. In Beijing, the resulting military crackdown on the protesters by the PRC government left many civilians dead or injured. The reported tolls ranged from 200–300 (PRC government figures), to 400–800 (The New York Times), and to 2,000–3,000 (Chinese student associations and Chinese Red Cross)."

This is all taken from Wikipedia, and DO NOT flame me about Wikipedia not being reliable because this is all very, very, true.

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(btw whoever above me decided that what I posted were far right fantasies. Ummm.... I could name a few far left liberal fantasies as well.)

Just to name a few:

Free Healthcare for EVERYONE in America.
Make all the Illegal Immigrants, Legal.
Gay Marriage.

I am also going to say that what I posted was in fact NOT ignorance, but rather ones own point of view that far left liberals refuse to believe due to THEIR ignorance about how WORLD PEACE FOREVER is impossible. There will always be someone who wants power, and struggle for power leads to violence and war, and violence and war leads to death. Those are just some of the extremely cruel facts of life.

Oh and btw, Everyone PLEASE be have fun when you write back. PLEASE! It just shows how differently individuals think.
 
Let's reply to the troll

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I thank you all for replying to my messages with your own opinions as this is what I assumed would happen. You see, I wrote those expressing my own views and opinions and you wrote me back with yours.

Gawwww, not this crap again !
While history is not the most objective activity in the world (at least far less than my beloved math), you can't create it just by wishing for it.

You have your own views, we have our own views. The difference being that you're wrong and we're right.

By the way, it's tangencially connected to the subject, because this unability to look at facts, at rational explainations of those facts is what creates a lot of stereotypes.


QUOTE I do have one thing to say after looking over some of them and noticing that a few posts were saying that China is'nt Communist when in fact they are. While I do agree that they technically are not "fully" Communist, they are in fact some sort of Communist one way or another. Some examples:

It makes China an authoritarian state, not a communist one.
I do not expect that you understand the difference, but people reading this thread may appreciate the correction.


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(btw whoever above me decided that what I posted were far right fantasies. Ummm.... I could name a few far left liberal fantasies as well.)

Me too. And both are wrong.
Base you view of the world on reality, not on some fantasies with an agenda.


QUOTE Free Healthcare for EVERYONE in America.
Make all the Illegal Immigrants, Legal.
Gay Marriage.

Oh! This is what you mean by fantasy ?
For me, it's political projects. Fantasies is what you did earlier in this thread : altering the reality (i.e. the collaboration of Saddam Hussein with Al-Qaeda. Which didn't happen) for various reasons (political agenda, medical condition).


QUOTE There will always be someone who wants power, and struggle for power leads to violence and war, and violence and war leads to death. Those are just some of the extremely cruel facts of life.

Explain me how the nature of the human being can alter the past ?

By the way, the European Union has done a fairly good job in keeping the peace in Europe. Probably the longest period of peace between the members in History.
So it works.

So this stereotype... doesn't work so well (By the way, everything will lead to death, even peace. It's the human condition).
 
QUOTE (theEND @ Apr 24 2008, 04:51 AM)Communism is a terrible, TERRIBLE thing.
One could say this is another stereotype. Again the idea stems from mixing up authoritarian/totalitarian regimes with communism. Looking at your previous posts I think there is some confusion on this part. Communism is not terrible it is the totalitarian regime that is bad. The fundamental ideas regarding Marxism are quite sound, the main problems is these principles don't work in practice.

In any case right wing ideologies (where America traditionally stood) are not immune to totalitarian governments. Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy are two prime examples. If anything I would say these governments were worse than the communist ones (admittedly both were not great).


QUOTE (Dalriada @ Apr 29 2008, 07:54 AM)While history is not the most objective activity in the world (at least far less than my beloved math), you can't create it just by wishing for it.

Ever heard the expressions:

Statistics never lie (sarcastic off course)
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You can prove anything with statistics

That's why they are the favoured weapon used by governments/businesses especially if they have a hidden agenda or a dirty secret to hide (look at Enron). So yes your beloved math can be pretty horrible!
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@ Dalriada - Misuse of statistics is still maths just poor maths. It is like me saying the square root of 4 is 2 (how many times was I caught out by this bear trap
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That's why they are the favoured weapon used by governments/businesses especially if they have a hidden agenda or a dirty secret to hide (look at Enron). So yes your beloved math can be pretty horrible!
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I deny that interpretation and misuse of statistics are math.
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Maths don't apply directly to the real world. You can use mathematical tools in other fields of knowledge (finances, sociology etc), but if you insert wrong data or interpret badly the result, don't blame math.
So the fact that maths can lie is just a stereotype.
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It's nevertheless a very good argument to teach math, especially statistic, and logic. So people can recognize the fallacies and the flaws in an argument based on stats.
 
QUOTE (Dalriada @ Apr 29 2008, 12:54 AM) You have your own views, we have our own views. The difference being that you're wrong and we're right.
xD Wow talk about some major liberal BS. Look dude you can believe that anyone that has a non-liberal view is nothing, but in today's society, you liberals think that everything needs to be perfect and that we cant offend anyone or else it will cause an extremist uprising that will destroy the world. The fact is is that life isn't fair and you don't get whatever you want. Some people are going to hate you, some people are going to disagree with your views, and some people will have it better off than you. I wouldn't give a damn if all the homosexuals, Islam extremists, and communists suddenly spontaneously combusted right in front of me. The fact with the homosexuals is is that they will one day be judged by God and Jesus Christ and it wont matter if they believe in Christ and God or not. They went against the Bible and God's will and they will be eternally damned to Hell. The fact with the Islam extremists is is that they are unbelievably violent, some of them anyway (some being most). They believe that if you do not believe in their profit muhammed, or their allah, YOU. MUST. BE. KILLED. This however is a total humiliation to the Islams who practice their religion peacefully. An example of this is 9/11, a date that most people have truly forgot about. On that day Islam extremists hijacked several planes and suicide bombed them into the sides of buildings for no reason except that we Americans are infidels, and to you far left socialist liberals out there: if those extremists saw you they would kill you in a heartbeat. You would be lower than dirt to them. Now on to my last statement on communists. Humans have unalienable rights that cannot be taken away. You are entitled to be able to choose for yourself what you believe in and how to express it. You are able to spread your own views in anyway you see fit. Now just because you can doesn't mean you should. In a communist society, you have no freedoms whatsoever. If you speak out against the government. You die. If you decide it's time to start your own farm. You die. If you decide you want to start a public t.v. station on which viewers can call in and express their views. YOU DIE.

I will only be coming back once to the Stereotypes and Problems thread, and that will be to view all the hate replies I get and to maybe respond to them.
 
QUOTE (theEND @ Apr 29 2008, 09:37 PM)I wouldn't give a damn if all the homosexuals, Islam extremists, and communists suddenly spontaneously combusted right in front of me.
... and yet...


QUOTE The fact with the Islam extremists is is that they are unbelievably violent, some of them anyway (some being most). They believe that if you do not believe in their profit muhammed, or their allah, YOU. MUST. BE. KILLED.
...?!?
*I think this somehow speaks for itself*
 
What do you mean it speaks for itself? It speaks in a way that tells everyone that I am a far right republican. I have no regrets.
 
I guess what I mean is that... you seem to be expressing some of the same sentiments that Muslim extremists do. Terrorists (of any creed, really, but let's stick to Muslim) don't care about us, if we live or die, our rights, etc. because they disapprove/disagree with us; okay, I'll grant you that. But in the previous paragraph you said you basically do not care if gays & communists "spontaneously combusted in front of [you]" (because you fundamentally disapprove/disagree with them). Is that so different? (at least it doesn't seem that different to me; that may not have been your intended sentiment).

P.S. And please don't leave the forum over this! We get in (sometimes very heated) discussions all the time. As long as it doesn't descend into juvenile name-calling, it's all good. Okay?

P.P.S. Is this still fitting for the Stereotypes thread?

P.P.P.S. @ Kit-Tsukasa, 2 posts down: Yes, sorry-- I should know better by now.
 
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While i appreciate some of what you said, some of it puts a bad name on the far right such as myself. While I consider practicing homosexuality sinful, I would never discriminate against one, nor would I enjoy watching them spontaneously combust. To quote my annoying catholic algebra teacher from middle school "Love the sinner, hate the sin."
And on your far left fantasies, you are wrong. They aren't just fantasies, and as scary as it is, if a democrat becomes president, some of those might actually happen. I see the apocalypse coming if one of them is elected.
While I tend to lean towards republicans rather than democrats, I stand as a far right conservative. Some of what you said, is a stereotype itself. Read all your posts again. You are stereotyping about stereotypes. By the way, I'm not flaming you, just giving constructive criticism.

For us here in the US, we don't quite realize our significance to other countries. The US is, debatably, the strongest military and economic power in the world right now. Other countries accuse us of misusing the power, but that is not entirely true. If the US didn't stop Hitler, how many more Jewish people would have been brutally murdered? In my opinion, communism only works when all people have equal work ethic and work for the community and help each other. That will never happen. And if it did happen, then there would be no need for a government. Proof involves the countless failed communist societies, along with current ones. When everything is socialized, everything is rationed. People will blow off work or be lazy, knowing they'll get their food anyways. The encouragement for hard work is money and rising in social status. If you take away that, wheres the incentive to work? Communism does not work unless it is a strict government. The strict government is very similar to a dictatorship. Then, the country weakens as a whole as power tends to corrupt. Look at the dictator (or whatever his position is) of north korea. While his people are dying from lack in health-care, he owns countless foreign cars and video game systems. A powerful government makes a weak people. It's a fact.

That was off topic.

Back on topic: I do not think generalizations are inherently wrong. Stereotypes are. A generalization leaves room for exception, a stereotype over-simplifies it and does not leave room for exception. "All black people are gangsters" is wrong, and a stereotype.

"Liberals base their opinions on emotion, and change their logic to back it up. Conservatives base their opinions on logic, and are emotionally detached." That is a stereotype. In my opinion, it is largely true, but if I said so I would be asking to be flamed.

"People who watch naruto are annoying". That is a stereotype. Yes, narutards are annoying, but that doesn't mean everyone who watches naruto is. That is an example of a stereotype. If I said "narutards tend to be annoying" that would be a true generalization.

"Men tend to be physically stronger than women." That is a generalization. Not all men are stronger than all women by any means, but genetically, men tend to be physically stronger. There are exceptions, but that is why it is a generalization. It is inherently true, with exceptions.

I think stereotyping a culture, or any group of people is wrong, but making generalizations is not. "Asians tend to be shorter than europeans or americans" is a generally true statement, a generalization. "All asians are short" is a stereotype.

Like other people said, we tend to categorize. Humans instinctively categorize things. Stereotypes are convenient. Ignorant people believe they are true. That is wrong. People need to realize stereotypes are wrong, positive or negative. Thats all.
 
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