Bleach Manga Thread


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And on top of that it seems that Ichigo's bankai really cannot be 'captured' by the Quincies. Ivan had problems with that and the moment Ichigo released, Kirge also id say 'damn it', obviously knowing that the battle will be that much difficult from now on.
 
QUOTE (qrdel @ May 24 2012, 08:50 AM) And on top of that it seems that Ichigo's bankai really cannot be 'captured' by the Quincies. Ivan had problems with that and the moment Ichigo released, Kirge also id say 'damn it', obviously knowing that the battle will be that much difficult from now on.
What I find interesting is also the fact that Ichigo's bankai is an ultimate "F U" to Kirge's powers:
- It COMPRESSES reiatsu to the point when nothing is leaking out, which is going to mess with Kirge's absorption quite a lot as Ichigo in bankai is possibly the one thing Kirge can NOT absorb.
- Its VERY GOOD at breaking things like entire pocket dimensions.
 
I think that, provided it can be transcended into non-FGT mode, a mugetsu could do off with Kirge, as it is a highly compressed attack that probably utilizes some 99% of Ichigo's reiatsu. I furthermore estimate that Kirge can surge on only a specific amount of others' reiatsu, hence a full-out mugetsu would just spill the scales.

Why bringing that up now? Kirge is 100% aware of 'secret weapons's' attacks and yet he says blatantly that knowing the estimated target means nothing if there're no means to destroy it. Those means are probably basic GT attacks Ichigo can do in bankai. Mugetsu just isn't or wasn't a Tensa Zangetsu lvl1 attack.
 
QUOTE (qrdel @ May 24 2012, 03:42 PM) I think that, provided it can be transcended into non-FGT mode, a mugetsu could do off with Kirge, as it is a highly compressed attack that probably utilizes some 99% of Ichigo's reiatsu. I furthermore estimate that Kirge can surge on only a specific amount of others' reiatsu, hence a full-out mugetsu would just spill the scales.

Why bringing that up now? Kirge is 100% aware of 'secret weapons's' attacks and yet he says blatantly that knowing the estimated target means nothing if there're no means to destroy it. Those means are probably basic GT attacks Ichigo can do in bankai. Mugetsu just isn't or wasn't a Tensa Zangetsu lvl1 attack.
Kirge might not be 100% aware. He thinks he can win. Quincy King thinks Kirge will only be a short term "distraction" for Ichigo. Its quite understandable why they would want Ichigo away from SS right now since he, alongside Yamamoto are only real viable threats to Quincy King in terms of power.

Ichigo's bankai idea is all about compressing reiatsu. Bankai of other shinigami get LARGER, Ichigo's get smaller as his reiatsu is compressed to perfection. Post-dangai Ichigo also seemingly have mastered that.

Most likely Ichigo spends time getting thrown around for a chapter, then revealing that he has not been going all out in order to find a way to break and counter quincy special ability.

Thus you would have Ichigo, after a medium difficulty longer fight, somehow encountering Grimjow and them all having to escape HM as more quincies arrive. By which time, SS would be well under way of getting destroyed.



Actually the way I see it, I would not be surprised on if Ichigo will be the one who will suggest freeing Aizen...or just outright free him without suggestions.

What I also find interesting is that there might be more to quincy/shinigami feud too. That new glasses guy had a certain tone to the story, implying that at least a part of what we know is SS propaganda and there are deeper reasons on why both sides spent time fighting

There's also the fact that quincies want to "destroy the balance" between SS and HM. SS seems to believe it to be bad thing, but it would be interesting to learn on what quincies expect to happen.
 
QUOTE By which time, SS would be well under way of getting destroyed.

Which leaves me baffled since the SS guys went about and trained during the time skip between Aizen arc and Fullbring arc.
Sure, in order to ignite some tension the good guys have to lose, or even some people may finally start dying (Komamura would be a perfect fit - the second closest student to Yamamoto getting pulverized would definitely leave an effect) but I really wouldn't like the current greatness to be overthrown by silly fights and SS miraculously defeating several times over stronger quincies.
 
Oh dang the title is 'the closing chapters'. At my most optimistic estimation this arc will last as long as Deicide. Is that enough time to wrap up all the loose ends. I suppose there will be no fighting just people getting one shotted left right and center like Kira.

I suppose at this point, if Kubo is going to show the royal guard and the soul king, he could just chuck em in with little/no explanation and also just do some skillfull retconning concerning Kurosaki family past, Urahara and Ishida's father.

To be honest, I would be very surprised at this point if Kubo touches on any of these points lest providing a satisfying answer. At this point, it might just be easier to play the war out, end the manga and leave the rest to fan speculation.
 
QUOTE (franzoir @ May 30 2012, 01:37 PM) Oh dang the title is 'the closing chapters'. At my most optimistic estimation this arc will last as long as Deicide. Is that enough time to wrap up all the loose ends. I suppose there will be no fighting just people getting one shotted left right and center like Kira.

I suppose at this point, if Kubo is going to show the royal guard and the soul king, he could just chuck em in with little/no explanation and also just do some skillfull retconning concerning Kurosaki family past, Urahara and Ishida's father.

To be honest, I would be very surprised at this point if Kubo touches on any of these points lest providing a satisfying answer. At this point, it might just be easier to play the war out, end the manga and leave the rest to fan speculation.
It seems to me that you're getting more and more sarcastic with every post you send whereas the manga is really headed for the better. The closing chapter can as well refer to SS losing the battle effortlessly on the Quincy side.

Kira surviving this kind of damage is just plain ridiculous, so I hope this is all there is to him. It's about time we see some real danger unleashing upon SS, since the previous arcs were just plain stupid in that aspect. Here, on the other hand, it really does feel that their doom is not so far ahead.
 
QUOTE It seems to me that you're getting more and more sarcastic with every post you send whereas the manga is really headed for the better.

Those are entirely your own misconceived projections. I am a very blunt person. I say what I feel and I mean what I say. I have little to no use for sarcasm.

Read my post at face value, you will see that I am merely speculating about how long Bleach has left as I interpret the title to mean an imminent (in the context of shounen) ending and whether he will able to finish the various plot threads he started. Let not forget deicide was 23 chapters meaning that it could be 5 months to reach the conclusion and ending.

Where you construe sarcasm in that is entirely coming from your own POV and grudges because I can honestly say that wasnt my intention at all.

And as I have previously stated I have been enjoying the increased pacing of the manga. Objectively, would I say this chapter was good? No, because I view Bleach as a trilogy SS/HM/Holy war. And the easiest/worst way to end a trilogy is to just kill of a load of people, especially when this manga is notorious for people surviving the most incredulous situations. It strikes me as inconsistent and cheap.

I enjoyed Kirge's vollstandig reveal because it shows Kubo is wrapping up loose plot threads. I have little to zero interest in this war or how it pans out but I do want to know Kurosaki's backstory etc which is why I was merely speculating on how Kubo will tackle it and what route he will take as that is what interest me.

I dont understand why in this thread particularly, it is a crime to have a difference of opinion. Any deviation from the conformed belief seems to be an affront.
 
Well, tbh I was quite strangled myself reading your offtop posts the last time you were trying to prove your speculations about how Kubo works and how shounen industry works are the only and absolute truth about the current world. The only reason I kept myself from being swayed by that pointless discussion was because I've been on this thread for way too long to not know where it was heading. And frankly, I still am strongly opposed imposing any sort of discussion on this matter, which is why except for those few-liners I'm not really coming back to it. It has and had nothing to do with me missing your point as, to put it bluntly, even if you want to sound legit it still comes across as being just pure sarcasm all way around. Neither it is any sort of grudge on my part, I would have to come a very long way to even feel close to being offended by a person I have never seen in my life sitting somewhere at the other side of the wire. Sorry mate, that is NOT me.

As for Bleach and your 'speculation', if what you're saying is true we have about a couple of months to wrap it all up, have 13 captains vanish in the thin air (not to mention the lieutenants, the remaining Vizards, Arrancars, RG etc etc), have Ichigo bust back into SS to finish off the Quincys (since I believe that without him, the main character, defeating the bad guys the ending for this manga has even less sense than Sasuto in its final 200-something chapters), bounce Aizen back, take on RG and clear some hints from his past leaving the rest for 'speculation', as you hinted. Sounds legit? Frankly, 23 chapters as you said are what - 2 complete books? Really? Had SJ really decided to finish Bleach they would've cut it after FB arc instead of allowing Kubo to continue the arc that is said to be in production for another 5 or 6 years. That is all if we exclude the fact that it's still too early to decide how good or bad the current arc will be.

All that aside, SJ allowed for a bullcrap of the sort of Naruto to finish at its normal pace. What gives if Bleach has some few years of runtime too? Sure, if Kubo decides to go 'one panel-one page-let's be as ridiculous as ever' like with Deicide and preceeding sub-arcs then I have no complaints if it's cancelled or finishes abruptly. Really, ode goddamn chapter title means nothing, especially if you look back to see that half of those make little to none sense.
 
QUOTE (Anybody @ May 30 2012, 02:43 PM)
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Yet another awesome chapter that upped the ante quite a lot. THe designs of quincies are aweosme and the war actually FEELS like a war (hear that, Kishi? Thats war, not your eyespam)
Indeed! good to see some fast paced action instead of the glaring at eachother that usually precedes the actual battles!

Also, franzoir, qrdel : *popcorn* IPPON SHOBU ! HAJIME!
 
QUOTE (wceend @ May 30 2012, 06:17 PM) Also, franzoir, qrdel : *popcorn* IPPON SHOBU ! HAJIME!
Not really mate. I have no problems acknowledging when something I like is just plain garbage, and that was Bleach during Aizen and FB arcs. The former was boring as hell and moved at the pace of tortoise and the latter tried to pull together some inexplicable parts of Bleach messed up plotline and failed considerably somewhere in the middle.
At this particular moment the manga is, however, returning slowly to her original idea - fast paced, eye-candy action sequences connected rather loosely by somewhat coherent yet very blatant story (first Karakura and Rukia-rescue arc alike), which I like and enjoy very much. Therefore, if someone comes back nearly every single time a new chapter is released just to bash some more and pull out random speculation from his/her arse I find it really difficult to cope, hence I can either just give a damn or respond. Sure, both imply that it'll lead to pointless argument but the latter may at least lead to less people thinking that their opinion is the freaking center of universe every time they decide to utter their glorious ideas to publicity.

Humbly on my part, I hope that's that.
 
QUOTE (qrdel @ May 30 2012, 12:07 PM)QUOTE (wceend @ May 30 2012, 06:17 PM) Also, franzoir, qrdel : *popcorn* IPPON SHOBU ! HAJIME!
Not really mate. I have no problems acknowledging when something I like is just plain garbage, and that was Bleach during Aizen and FB arcs. The former was boring as hell and moved at the pace of tortoise and the latter tried to pull together some inexplicable parts of Bleach messed up plotline and failed considerably somewhere in the middle.
At this particular moment the manga is, however, returning slowly to her original idea - fast paced, eye-candy action sequences connected rather loosely by somewhat coherent yet very blatant story (first Karakura and Rukia-rescue arc alike), which I like and enjoy very much. Therefore, if someone comes back nearly every single time a new chapter is released just to bash some more and pull out random speculation from his/her arse I find it really difficult to cope, hence I can either just give a damn or respond. Sure, both imply that it'll lead to pointless argument but the latter may at least lead to less people thinking that their opinion is the freaking center of universe every time they decide to utter their glorious ideas to publicity.

Humbly on my part, I hope that's that.

If you flick the thread page over, I explicitly stated that I am happy about the arc since it has increased the pacing and atleast Kubo is trying to tie up loose ends so I do not feel it valid to say that with every new chapter that is released I just troll it.

Regardless, the implications lobbied at me, I'm not going to argue about it because if thats how you feel about the matter, nothing I say or do will change that. But I believe there is an inherent misunderstanding because what was meant as a throwaway post turned into this unpleasant discourse. Given that fact, I'm just going to carry on as normal expressing myself as I see fit, while summarily ignoring your posts whether you deride mine or not. And I say that from a neutral standpoint with no begrudged feelings involved. This way no unpleasantness will reoccur.

Good day.
 
I hope Kubo doesnt start now with just killing off everyone he ever created in this show because this would be bs and even worse than his "everyone will survive regardless how injured they are"-stuff. But since I dont care about the people who were killed for now and I detested Kira I dont mind for now.

And really if he wanted to use german in his manga, then he shouldve at least hired someone who knows the language since a lot of the stuff he used is utter nonsense.
 
QUOTE while summarily ignoring your posts whether you deride mine or not

Oh, please. Don't bother. It's not like you join a board to actually discuss your standpoint from time to time. So far away an idea, isn't it? Really, I've had enough of you and your self-centered opinions. I don't care if you wrote at some point that you are 'oh so enjoying Kubo tieing loose ends' since every now and then you just pull out some random incoherent rumble which has little to do with the previous page. Maybe if you bother to read your posts again, during that bashing you gave the other guy some time ago you would notice that there's little logic in what you say followed by even less respect for the thread in general. And having read a pile of bullcrap of the sort, more and more people just go about and share their idiocy wherever I stumble upon. Why? Because they read your kind of 'speculation' and then fight until freaking death when trying to prove that 'oh Bleach is ending in a couple of months because some dude from a forum said so, neh!' Really, you've been here for quite some time and should know how this works.

On top of that, forum is for discussion. If you want to STATE your opinion just run a freaking blog and then spill your idealism there. Noone will try to negate it, discuss it or even dare to quote your words, since it would appear that it is such a massive attack on your humble person. Really, grow up.

And finally, if it is such an eyesore why haven't you dropped the manga long ago? Would've spared us some of your wisdom here.
 
QUOTE (qrdel @ May 30 2012, 01:44 PM) On top of that, forum is for discussion. If you want to STATE your opinion just run a freaking blog and then spill your idealism there. Noone will try to negate it, discuss it or even dare to quote your words, since it would appear that it is such a massive attack on your humble person. Really, grow up.

And finally, if it is such an eyesore why haven't you dropped the manga long ago? Would've spared us some of your wisdom here.
Actually, forum is for discussion AND personal opinions alike. Obviously forums should favor discussions more but the idea of expressing personal opinions allow for debates thereby leading to discussions and more discussions. You are free to argue with someone's point but at the end of the day everything is a personal opinion.

For example, I still follow the Bleach manga but not so much on a regular basis any more mostly because I think it has become trash. Aizen's arc was where it should have ended and the anime ratings/cancellation show this. It will likely return for to animate the rest of the manga as it approaches its end but it's a title that I've personally put the entire series on the back burner since the beginning of the Fullbring arc in favor of other shounen titles as of late mostly due to how terrible the series is now.
 
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Ufufufu, cool, as always. I'm pretty excited about this arc, despite all the speculation and grumbling I see going on about bleach. I think they'll up the pace with this arc
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It's a bit shame though that Quincys aren't attacking with grunts too. Would be great to see some normal grunt battles for a change, and Kubo could perhaps change the overall impression on his art style. We all know he CAN draw, but his laziness is legendary too
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I also thought that this chapter would shift to Ichigo fighting Kirge, but instead we got so Kubo style introduction of battle tiers.

Goddamn those names, 4chan had already attached some of the finest labels to most of the invaders :>
 
QUOTE (qrdel @ Jun 07 2012, 08:02 AM) It's a bit shame though that Quincys aren't attacking with grunts too. Would be great to see some normal grunt battles for a change, and Kubo could perhaps change the overall impression on his art style. We all know he CAN draw, but his laziness is legendary too
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I also thought that this chapter would shift to Ichigo fighting Kirge, but instead we got so Kubo style introduction of battle tiers.

Goddamn those names, 4chan had already attached some of the finest labels to most of the invaders :>
I agree on the names, what the hell. Of course he can draw. but I think efficiency is also important..I suppose deadlines can be harsh.

Grunts would be nice. it would be cool to see armies charging eachother on massive battlefieldswhile the captains and sternritters duke it out in the skies, wreaking massive carnage on the ground while they're at it
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Apparently the captains haven't been on their asses, I can't wait to see what new might they have up their sleeves, especially kenpachi. I love the way he casually strikes down his foes...didn't he just cut his opponent in two the last time? XD no bull, just a fist full of beam of white light you
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So ultimately it would seem that Quincy's do take away bankai with those strange devices.

On top of that, I think the reason why Ichigo's Tensa Zangetsu cannot be taken from him is because of the hollow within who holds more than half of the share of it. It's not Ichigo's so to speak. FB powers may have something to do with it too, I guess.
 
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