spoiler-tag addition

New spoiler-tag or feature:

Reason: Alot of the times people will start talking about an episode that has just been previously released and will put their thoughts on that eppy in spoilers. The people who just watched that episode will follow suit and use spoilers also. So you have a situation when alot of spoiler tags are being used on a newly released sub. The problem is when people decide to use this time to post major future spoilers that will happen down the line. Usually spoilers that they have read from manga. It happens all the time in the Naruto thread and plently of other threads for that matter.

I think that we should try to incorporate another type of spoiler-tag. One that is different from the current one. A spoiler-tag that highlights "major future spoilers" for that particular anime. That way those who soley watch the anime and don't want to be spoiled by manga readers...they can rest easy when they click a spoiler that it will not be about episodes that are aways off. Then those who don't mind and want to discuss those major spoilers can do so of their own accord.

I agree ... I get spoiled now because people use the spoiler tag feature for anything. But I think it should be more of a "hidden text" idea rather than a new spoiler feature. So that way, you know if something is manga/new ep spoiler, or whether it's just something they're hiding (be it text or images).

http://boards.fansub.tv/index.php?showtopic=4960

spoiler is a spoiler. whether it's huge or not, it's still considered spoiler. if you're willing to click on a spoiler then you are willing to risk being spoiled. I just don't read the spoilers that are about the stuff that I don't know about. I do CLICK on the spoiler, but I don't read it therefore I never get spoiled on anything. You guys should try it sometime, works great. (or ctrl + w everytime you see a spoiler you didn't wanna see/read)

And finally, that link redirects you to a magical topic where you can talk about the features you'd like to see on FTV. decent idea btw.

I think a lot of the problem is that people use spoiler tags too much, e.g. I don't think spoiler tags should be used for something that's already come out, except possibly on the day of release when people might not be aware that it's out yet.

Something that would be good in this respect would be expiring spoilers which got automatically removed (ie. the text in them would be turned into normal text with no tags) after a certain number of days. E.g. you could have a [temporary spoiler] tag which people can use when discussing a recent episode, this would expire after (say) 5 days. Not only would this remove unnecessary spoilers from threads but if you saw something tagged with a real spoiler tag rather than just a temporary one, you'd know it was some big long term spoiler.

Hiroyuki i like your temporary spoiler tag that expires idea but then how would we distinguish between what is a major spoiler or a just that episode "temporary" spoiler?

That is one of the major issues to weed out the "major future spoilers" on those days when people are being extra cautious and using spoilers when an episode is subbed that day. It may sound simple but just one spoiler of that nature can ruin the whole series.

Personally I don't think people should worry about using spoilers when episodes have just been released that day. That would solve some of the problems but if we use your "temporary spoiler tag" idea it needs a distinguishable feature maybe a (different color or just something that sets it apart) so we will no it is of the "temporary" variety.

If the general public dislikes the long-range spoilers, You could merely discourage them. Personally I find the spoiler tag an evil thing, It is really hard to resist clicking on, the curiosity eats away at me...

Creating a multi level hierarchal spoiler tag system is just asking for trouble, In my opinion anyhow. It would depend on educating everyone about the new system... Why not educate against long-range spoilers?

And while the idea of new spoiler-tag is a good one,I'm getting the (VERY) evil idea of abusing it in any way possible.Using short term spoiler-tag for a MAJOR spoiler,as an example.How you guys would prevent someone as evil as I am from abusing this new feature to spoil ,pissing-off and mentaly-abuse other members?

The main thing about this thing is still being courteous,tolerate and mindful of other members,features that I somewhat lacking.Or a proper knowledge on when or which thing deserves to be tagged with spoiler-tags(like Hiroyuki-sempai and senpapi has said,sometimes things that's being tagged doesn't necessarily be much a spoiler to be tagged,in fact,most of them do(like what I used them for above)).

And if I still act the same way,maybe I deserve some reminder from other warm-hearted polite members to,well,remind me of things need to be reminded.Maybe I'm not doing that on purpose,just as a whimsical joke out of pure impulse.And f I still being a jerk after all that,maybe a warning by mods ought to do the trick for me.

BTW,I believe I'm not the evil one here,the real EVIL is the spoiler-tags.QUOTE (Anime-Addict-san)Personally I find the spoiler tag an evil thing, It is really hard to resist clicking on, the curiosity eats away at me...So true a statement,I seconded this notion by Anime-Addict-san.It's not the people,it's the tags that's notorious here.They are worse than a succubus in charming people.

I think that the distinction should rather be: manga spoiler/anime spoiler and the anime spoiler should expire after one day. Because like you said Hiroyuki, most ppl use it to discuss the current episodes, which I think is useless. I really dont understand why ppl enter the thread when a new episode just came out. I say: first watch the epi, THEN enter the discussion!!!

QUOTE (warita200 @ Jul 19 2007, 05:16 PM)I think that the distinction should rather be: manga spoiler/anime spoiler and the anime spoiler should expire after one day. Because like you said Hiroyuki, most ppl use it to discuss the current episodes, which I think is useless. I really dont understand why ppl enter the thread when a new episode just came out. I say: first watch the epi, THEN enter the discussion!!!Yeah I think that with the anime spoiler/manga spoiler tag is a pretty good idea, since it´s sometimes a little bit annoying if you open a spoiler and it´s a major spoiler from the manga.

I think users in general just need to use the spoiler tag more wisely. Perhaps if you could have an editable title for the spoiler tag? So that way, the kind users would type "manga/anime" spoiler when they are posting so we know. And then you wouldn't need all this expiring stuff ... because obviously, if it's an "anime spoiler" that was made when two episodes were released, it's not going to spoil you if you watched 20 episodes.

I'm more worried about the use of spoiler tags for non-spoiler uses.

Great idea, I had an incident where I found out something I didn't want to know in future Naruto episodes.

Lol, InuyashaX got spoiled. Anyway, I agree with the title idea, we need to know what the contents in the spoilers are without actually knowig what they are( Like some people spoil things that will happen like 5 episodes after the current one)

QUOTE (malfion @ Jul 19 2007, 05:41 PM) Lol, InuyashaX got spoiled. Anyway, I agree with the title idea, we need to know what the contents in the spoilers are without actually knowig what they are( Like some people spoil things that will happen like 5 episodes after the current one)
The best way is to give some hint notes before the spoiler tag. However, the notes should be to the extent that it won't majorly spoil them or completely tempt someone to read it. Another alternative is to say that the spoiler is from this episode so don't open the tag unless you've seen it or really want to be spoiled, etc...

I do agree with noob though that a spoiler in a spoiler tag is there for a reason, unless its a joke of course , but if you click on the spoiler tag, that means you are willing to let yourself be spoiled despite the consequences. So in a sense, you don't have a reason to blame anyone but yourself for spoiling since it was voluntary and not mandatory. The only exception to this case, obviously, is when people don't put the stuff in spoiler tags on purpose just to spoil you This goes for manga spoilers in the anime section.

QUOTE (Kit-Tsukasa @ Jul 19 2007, 10:31 PM)So in a sense, you don't have a reason to blame anyone but yourself for spoiling since it was voluntary and not mandatory. The only exception to this case, obviously, is when people don't put the stuff in spoiler tags on purpose just to spoil you This goes for manga spoilers in the anime section.
You just hit on the main point yourself Kit. This is not about blaming others when you click on a spoiler we all obviously know there are certain risks. It's about coming up with a solution to weed through the "different" types of spoilers.

I think that one of the biggest issues that should be addressed first is all the manga spoilers that appear in the anime threads. Weeding those out would solve not all but alot of the spoiler problems. By either making a "manga spoiler" tag or some type of manga distinction. The extreme method but no that illogical would be doing away with all manga spoilers in anime threads period. Make all manga discussions take place soley in the manga section. Maybe it would encourage the growth of the manga section in the process.

QUOTE (senpai-kun @ Jul 19 2007, 10:05 PM) I think that one of the biggest issues that should be addressed first is all the manga spoilers that appear in the anime threads. Weeding those out would solve not all but alot of the spoiler problems. By either making a "manga spoiler" tag or some type of manga distinction. The extreme method but no that illogical would be doing away with all manga spoilers in anime threads period. Make all manga discussions take place soley in the manga section. Maybe it would encourage the growth of the manga section in the process.
Actually, the entire purpose of the manga section and threads was to remove most if not all manga related discussion and spoilers in the anime threads, especially for Bleach and Naruto. Unfortunately, we just failed to enforce it that much. Therefore, I believe there really is no need for revisions regarding manga spoilers since they shouldn't even be in the anime threads in the first place.

Anime episode spoilers are a different issue. You can only stop those to a limited extent. I believe the only way to prevent most users from getting spoiled is to post a few notes regarding what may be behind the spoiler. Obviously nothing too stupid to the extent that it will tell them what the spoiler really is. Maybe something like I said before about stating what episodes they're from. At least that's how I do it, though I honestly don't know how many people actually look at the images/comments I post behind them. :\

QUOTE (Kit-Tsukasa @ Jul 20 2007, 12:31 AM)Actually, the entire purpose of the manga section and threads was to remove most if not all manga related discussion and spoilers in the anime threads, especially for Bleach and Naruto. Unfortunately, we just failed to enforce it that much. Therefore, I believe there really is no need for revisions regarding manga spoilers since they shouldn't even be in the anime threads in the first place.

Alot of people probably didn't even know that manga spoilers weren't supposed to be in the anime section for the simple fact that no one actually enforces it. Seems like if like you said Kit they aren't even supposed to be in the anime section in the first place then why not start to enforce it now? If moderators don't enforce it you can probably understand why people have been suggesting a spoiler revision of the manga variety as a reasonable option. Personally I see what your saying and wouldn't mind seeing manga spoilers in the anime section stopped and it starts being enforced hopefully sometime soon.

QUOTE (Kit-Tsukasa @ Jul 19 2007, 11:31 PM) I do agree with noob though that a spoiler in a spoiler tag is there for a reason, unless its a joke of course , but if you click on the spoiler tag, that means you are willing to let yourself be spoiled despite the consequences.
Which is exactly why I think we need a "hidden text" option. The spoiler tag has been used for many different things besides spoilers, and it's not always 100% clear that a spoiler is behind it. We've told people to use the spoiler tags to hide large bodies of text that aren't spoilers. Then there are the 'joke' spoilers. And sometimes people have put images behind spoiler tags. All three of these are not spoilers, but practical uses of "hiding" text on the forum.

I don't have a problem with manga/episode spoilers ... maybe because I'm always so behind I never get to see active discussions in the anime threads But if you see someone trying to have a discussion about the manga in an anime thread, then steering them towards the manga section is a good move.

Hmmmm....why not try how Animesuki's forums way of doing spoilers.....coz when you post there....you tag the spoiler but as well as that you have to kinda state why its a spoiler. It would look like: -

Spoiler for 100th Episodes: -

Sorry....if what I'm saying sounds confusing...wasn't able to convey the idea properly in words...in any case...try posting in the animesuki forums and try out the spoiler tag...you'll see what I mean.

QUOTE (JCDRANZER @ Jul 23 2007, 09:31 AM) Hmmmm....why not try how Animesuki's forums way of doing spoilers.....coz when you post there....you tag the spoiler but as well as that you have to kinda state why its a spoiler. It would look like: -

Spoiler for 100th Episodes: -

Sorry....if what I'm saying sounds confusing...wasn't able to convey the idea properly in words...in any case...try posting in the animesuki forums and try out the spoiler tag...you'll see what I mean.
if we delegate the manga spoilers into the manga section, then we dont really need a spoiler. I am against taging information from the current episodes. I think that it is everybodies responsibility to watch out for new episodes and watch it before entering the discussion. I dont think the users should have to put up with all that spoiler nonsence just because some individuals cannot keep track of the episodes or are too lazy to watch them, yet they want to drop something smart in the thread. If they get spoiled, that is pretty much their own fault.
I think that the thread are for disussing the current episodes and I fail to see the sense in dialogues like this one:

A: I have just seen the episode X, I think that . So what do you think?

B: I have to agree, but .

Common....... plus you never know, what is hiding inside a spoiler. Is it a manga spoiler? Ist it just the current episode? Who knows. I say, lets forget the spoilers and manga material only in the manga section.

I don't see why manga spoilers need to be posted in anime threads..If someone wants to know what is going to happen later on in the anime then they can go to the manga section or pm someone that they know is reading the manga. Manga spoilers are annoying and sometimes people don't even put spoilers around what they say or they give hints as to what is going to happen and think it isn't a spoiler.


Just keep manga content out of the anime thread.


About the spoiler tags for new episodes..I think when someone posts about a recently subbed episode they should inform the readers at the begginning of the post that way that person knows the sub is out.