suicide?

It seems every one has this negative out look on suicide. I find this alittle rude and one of the reasons why people feel so strong about wanting to comment suicide. When you feel like crap to begin with and then you go to a person and they say you wanting to comment suicide is stupid and not worth ( in so many words) sometimes that can make things worst. Suicide is more a understandable out come from feeling out of control and desperate. To say its only for the weak, stupid, selfless, is just somewhat mean and not fully understanding what It feels to truly want to kill yourself. The thought of suicide inst a evil insane thought. If you never had it, most likely you never felt out of control and unbearably depressed. But, maybe you have been there though and the thought of suicide just wasn't appealing because of religion or teachings from someone.

My personal opinion of suicide is people should do what they want. If you are just noticing the person after the want of suicide maybe your part of the "problem." I just cant see forcing a person to live and filling there heads with crap about things being better. The person needs to decide if its worth it or not; the weak shall parish and the strong survive. Besides if suicide was widely excepted there would be less people in the world and less misunderstandings. If you have a whole generation of people blowing their heads out eventually you know theres something wrong with the culture and there may need to be a change. Though that may sound mean you cant possibly say censoring the word and stopping every potential act of suicide works better.

QUOTE (wittyfox @ Sep 01 2007, 05:29 PM) It seems every one has this negative out look on suicide. I find this alittle rude and one of the reasons why people feel so strong about wanting to comment suicide. When you feel like crap to begin with and then you go to a person and they say you wanting to comment suicide is stupid and not worth ( in so many words) sometimes that can make things worst. Suicide is more a understandable out come from feeling out of control and desperate. To say its only for the weak, stupid, selfless, is just somewhat mean and not fully understanding what It feels to truly want to kill yourself. The thought of suicide inst a evil insane thought. If you never had it, most likely you never felt out of control and unbearably depressed. But, maybe you have been there though and the thought of suicide just wasn't appealing because of religion or teachings from someone.

My personal opinion of suicide is people should do what they want. If you are just noticing the person after the want of suicide maybe your part of the "problem." I just cant see forcing a person to live and filling there heads with crap about things being better. The person needs to decide if its worth it or not; the weak shall parish and the strong survive. Besides if suicide was widely excepted there would be less people in the world and less misunderstandings. If you have a whole generation of people blowing their heads out eventually you know theres something wrong with the culture and there may need to be a change. Though that may sound mean you cant possibly say censoring the word and stopping every potential act of suicide works better.
hmm.....agreed...suicide is a very touchy subject....its sad that at some point or another a person can only find refuge from their life through death......and it is understandable...sometimes life is too unbearable to handle, sure, you can say stick your head up and things will get better, be strong...blah blah blah....ok thats TRUE...but in some cases...you're just so utterly bummed that there's no return....depression is a horrible thing, and its a very painful emotion to feel and for some it can be too unbearable to handle...besides...we're all gunna die some day or another right?

by saying to people that they are weak or stupid for even considering suicide is kind of like adding salt to their wound....some situations that people have gone through can really be quite unbearable and its up to people around them to realize that there's someone out there that won't mind lending a helping hand, kind of like the light at the end of a dark tunnel, and that can prevent them from thinking suicidal thoughts..i mean we don't want people to commit suicice, that in itself is obvious, but perhaps the one thing that can prevent it is to be the light to these people and not say how "weak" or "stupid" they are

death is not something to be afraid of or avoided, inevitably we all will face it one day....but bringing on death too early in some situations can stop the pain that person is feeling....catch my flow?

i dont know if anything i said made sense, im just blabbering on....=)

Suicide...one of my friends said she was commit when october comes if her old lover doesn't return her love. Me and some of my friends tried everything to help her. She cannot move on. She has lost all hope now.

Hey Inoji and wittyfox, I think you can both take some advice from xxanime_junkyxx. He is right about being the light at the end of the tunnel, if you are just there for them as a friend it really helps them realize they are not alone. And that you really want them around.

And Inoji, just keep reminding your friend that a lover can be replaced, she can't be.

How insensitive... "people who want to commit suicide should do what they want"... I remember reading somewhere that the majority of people who commit suicide regret it in the instant before death.

It's hard to live. I know this... hell, there've been times that I've had where other people would probably want to kill themselves. I've never thought of suicide, though... and I'm neither religious nor taught not to do suicide. I care too much about the people around me to kill myself; it'll affect my friends and family.

Even if life gets hard... it's not worth it to kill yourself. I can understand perfectly why people might want to stop the pain and stress, definitely... but even so, living through it, making it to an easier time, is satisfying. You can look back and say "I don't ever want to be there again", and have friends, and people who care about you. Even if you don't have a lover, no matter how hard it'll be... you should try your absolute hardest to hang in there, and at least cling to the notion that you have friends. It's better to lead a full, happy life, even if it means going through some hard spots. Everyone has those bad parts in life.

QUOTE (Yuki Shiido @ Sep 02 2007, 02:03 PM) How insensitive... "people who want to commit suicide should do what they want"... I remember reading somewhere that the majority of people who commit suicide regret it in the instant before death.

It's hard to live. I know this... hell, there've been times that I've had where other people would probably want to kill themselves. I've never thought of suicide, though... and I'm neither religious nor taught not to do suicide. I care too much about the people around me to kill myself; it'll affect my friends and family.

Even if life gets hard... it's not worth it to kill yourself. I can understand perfectly why people might want to stop the pain and stress, definitely... but even so, living through it, making it to an easier time, is satisfying. You can look back and say "I don't ever want to be there again", and have friends, and people who care about you. Even if you don't have a lover, no matter how hard it'll be... you should try your absolute hardest to hang in there, and at least cling to the notion that you have friends. It's better to lead a full, happy life, even if it means going through some hard spots. Everyone has those bad parts in life.
Even if no one taught you how to not comment suicide you still learned or adapted a want to stay close to your family and feel somewhat responsible to them. Though it seems natural, responsibly is most likely taught and not just natural. Considering the whole point of responsibility is to be unnatural and dependable, uniform and easy to predict. I don't know a lot of children, but most just don't pop out easy to predict.

Anyway, life is always up to interpretation. No one should have the right to say how livable and "worth it" it is. In the end you aren't talking about the suicidal person your talking about your self. To you it is never worth it because it just doesn't make sense for you to do it. So what i am trying to say is, its hard to understand how a person truly feels unless you are that person and if you were that person most likely you would be in the same place; suicidal.

I dont mean to be insensitive because I once was, or still am, suicidal at times. I just have little want to sugar coat things and make it all easy to take.


QUOTE that the majority of people who commit suicide regret it in the instant before death
lol how could they tell? They were dead rigth. or did they leave a note or somthing....

A lot of talk here seems to focus on the mental thought-orientated aspect of suicide. But what if the suicidal thoughts are a result of physical pain. What if someone suffers from a pain that cannot be cured by current medicine, and scientists still don't know much about the disease so no cure is in sight. If you spend every day bedridden with no "happier days" in your future, does society still have the right to tell you "you should live through it - be strong, think of those around you". Wouldn't you, as that person's loved one, understand and want them to also find an end to their suffering, even if it means death?

When someone dies naturally from disease, we often think "they are in a better place beyond suffering". Shouldn't that still hold true even if that person killed his/her self?

(personal musing)

QUOTE (Inoji @ Sep 01 2007, 09:44 PM) Suicide...one of my friends said she was commit when october comes if her old lover doesn't return her love. Me and some of my friends tried everything to help her. She cannot move on. She has lost all hope now.
I'd say find some way soon and effective that will help her. You say you tried everything, but there's always something that people don't always see. For example, maybe consult with someone other than just your friends. Try her friends, family, someone who knows her personally, etc...

QUOTE (chiisai_hana @ Sep 02 2007, 03:37 PM) A lot of talk here seems to focus on the mental thought-orientated aspect of suicide. But what if the suicidal thoughts are a result of physical pain. What if someone suffers from a pain that cannot be cured by current medicine, and scientists still don't know much about the disease so no cure is in sight. If you spend every day bedridden with no "happier days" in your future, does society still have the right to tell you "you should live through it - be strong, think of those around you". Wouldn't you, as that person's loved one, understand and want them to also find an end to their suffering, even if it means death?

When someone dies naturally from disease, we often think "they are in a better place beyond suffering". Shouldn't that still hold true even if that person killed his/her self?

(personal musing)
there's a word for it...darn it..its on the tip of my tongue....damn oh well...."legal suicide"

got this off of a site: Is Physician Assisted Suicide Legal?
QUOTE Physician-assisted suicide is illegal in every state except Oregon. In 1997, the U.S. Supreme Court issued rulings on physician-assisted suicide and sent the issue back to the states to decide. The Court decided that it could not identify a right to request a physician’s help in dying. Therefore, the merits of state laws that bar physician-assisted suicide are appropriate for the states to decide...oh yeah and in Australia its allowed too

i personally think that its not a bad idea...physically i mean...if there's no cure and you're sitting in bed everyday going through so much pain and suffering, there is no return, you're destined to pass away with that diesease, what better person to judge than a physician (when in that situation of course and with the patients consent)..just another example of when death isn't the wrong answer

well we think, "morally its wrong to kill somebody like that"....we all have to get over that barrier...wouldn't it be immoral to allow that person to go through all that pain and suffering every day, longer than would be needed?

I don't care that much for my family; all they do the large majority of the time is yell at me or criticize me.

I can understand how bad you would feel to commit suicide, I honestly can; I still think, however, that you shouldn't commit suicide.


As for if you have a bad medical condition, that's a different story. If you want to live for as long as you can, to stay with people until the end, then don't commit it... but if all you're doing is suffering 24/7 physically, going to die soon anyway, then I can understand.

It may look like I contradicted myself with "suffering 24/7"... but there's a difference. When you're suffering emotionally, you generally still have friends, right? Even if a huge part of your life disappeared, you still have friends...

I'd have to disagree to suicide but not entirely though. Disagree to the fact it is a weak solution or a sudden conclusion think of it there are so many things to do in life and I know how it is to want to kill yourself (and now its killing others lol... and no longer suicidal thinkings) suicide is such a broad choice to make sure you may say for me life is great but everything has a good side and bad side as in if there is a shadow there is a light source causing it and remember There is no problem that has no solution if there isn't then Give me an example.(remember a problem that has a solution/answer not a problem that has an answer but the answer is ignored *coughGovermentCorruptioncough*)

and for the little agreement is the mercy killing for the Impossible to cure for now but only IF the patient decides and if not then let them be since its just barbaric to kill someone without him/her agreeing even if she/he can't reply still its unjust just to do that.

Personally not really. It has been quite hard though my life but things have gotten but there is still really hard stuff going on around us. But no not really. Interesting subject to pick.

Nope never thought of it.

The world not blessed with my presence?

Why have the Earth and its population suffer through that before its my time?

My hands are designed to love myself not off myself.

And if you are in an environment thats dragging you don't you can always relocate away from it, them when you are of legal age that is.

QUOTE (dave69812 @ Sep 06 2007, 02:24 PM) And if you are in an environment thats dragging you don't you can always relocate away from it, them when you are of legal age that is.
Good point, if person is strong enough and has will he can, if not there is always a hope.
One person which i know suicided, i don't blame him. He was normal person had wife, childrens, job etc. . But shits happens, one bad thing happined, he got depresed and than another and another (it was all in one day). Probably he could't underwent it and he suicide at one of such moment. He made the bigest mistake in his life. There is always propability that luck can turn away from you, things happens even worster than you can imaginate. In such situation i always remember that things can't get worster, they can get only better and besides there are always people who are in much worster situation and had more unlucky day than y. So, " don't worry be happy" .

I attempted several times when I was a teenager but obviously, I survived and I'm still alive. I guess the only thing that stopped me was the sudden realization that I was not the center of the universe (though I wish I was... I still do ) I think I was kinda messed up as a kid - too serious and putting too much faith in people. Reasons behind those attempts were nothing earthshattering. I guess it was hating the high school and being unable to say what I wanted to say. I just changed in college (the time when I had that epiphany). I'm not saying that that I'm Maria von Trapp singing at mountaintops where the hills are alive and all that. But I just started laughing at myself.

And no, I do not talk to troubled youth about it or join any NGOs that delve in these... I don't believe that I have to save the world one person at a time. I don't have a hero complex. No matter how many times people like to say that talking about it helps, it's still a matter of personal choice. No matter how much love and support a suicidal person gets, if he/she will not be changing their attitude on their lives, nothing can stop them.

Suicide. Damn i remember a cheesy song just from this word.

Nonetheless, there are various reasons for this like: Honor, Physical or Mental pain, Belief and Religion, Protecting secrets and such.

From a Christian's point of view, suicide is sin, well that's their view on the matter.

I on the other hand pass no judgment on suicide in general.

Whether suicide is good or bad, these are only words that people say after the deed has been done. I don't find the phrase "If the person wants to commit suicide then let him!" insensitive at all. Rather, i find that it respects the "choice" of the said person who's bound to choose to live or die.

As for the "specific" causes of suicide, that i have some say in.

First off, suicide in the name of Honor or whatever noble means. That's the word itself, it's for a noble cause.

For example [from the Trojan war], it was prophesized that the first man to set foot on the shores of Troy would die, and this Greek hero [Forgot the name, sorry] chose to be the one to first set foot, and he therefore die. He knew that prophesy, yet he still stood up to the challenged, that action can be classified as what we define as "suicide".

These valiant, courageous, selfless acts, i commend. I do not daresay it is wrong nor it is right, for that judgment lies on the one who chose to act.

On the other hand, dying, commiting suicide because of cowardice, that i spit on. Such events can be portrayed with criminals who commit suicide after having done something terrible.

There's a good chance that they were just mentally shocked, and couldn't accept the fact that they had done something wrong, so in turn to atone for their sin they commit suicide.

There's also the possibility that they are afraid that they will get caught eventually, so they opted to commit suicide instead, afraid to serve their time in the pen. This kind of act, i despise, nothing more is needed to say.

There are also acts of suicide because of pain or anguish, now i don't find anything wrong with it as well. If they wanted a peaceful death, let them have it. If your efforts in helping them are in vain, then there's really nothing you can do because in the end, the choice is up to these guys.

About the mentally ill people or even just those people at the verge of a mental breakdown, or even the people who just had one because of some overwhelming experience, we should not say they're right or wrong with their actions BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY ARE MENTALLY ILL OR HAD A BREAKDOWN. Simple.

Whether they be Kamikaze's, deranged criminals, or even a normal husband that has a wife and three kids who suddenly lost his job and had misery after misery trailing his path, people have different reasons for suicide. I commend and uphold some, and despise others too, but in the end, saying something is wrong because you deem it wrong is not the right thing to do. In the end, the choice is up to them, whether it's right or wrong, it's still up to them whether they regret their actions or not.

Have i thought of commiting suicide? Certainly have, life is pointless anyway in my point of view. If life is so pointless, why not throw your life away?

The answer to that is the same reason why i eat even though i'm full, or why i'm posting this. Yep, it's all just for the heck of it. I want to life a fun pointless life, keywords: pointless fun.

First to answer the question, no never I didn't think about it and thank God no one else I know did.

I don't hate or look down to people who try to comet suicide and they are not bad or something, I just believe that they need help which's not wrong and shame to ask it from others, they also need attention, care, more activities in their life and love.

I think that suicide is just killing yourself by yourself!!!! which is really scary and strange.

It's strange and scary cause human beings love life and they even dream of living forever so it's weird to hear someone committed suicide.. but the most important is that they love themselves... but when you lost this appreciating and love of your self then you're in a struggle.

Of course we can't ignore that suicide have reasons as every thing else in life, they could be silly and shallow for some people but serious and important for others.

also these problems could be psychological, social, and other reasons which could effect on one's thoughts and decisions.

Last thing that I would like to say that any one who thought about committing suicide and is thinking about it, firstly should think about their special people, their families, their friends and if they have a problem even a most complicated on in life they should believe that there is a solution for everything ..
death is freedom but suicide is hell


In the end thanks for the topic.. it's good to refresh people's mind and discuss this kind of issues in all societies

for me i am thinking about Suiciding even now not because im sad or anything its, just to me i feel like my life is just goin no were like right now i dont even no what im going to do after high school, and i dont really feel like living after im 18. my life really just seem pointless and goin no were i really dont have a will to live out my life im just get more tried every day i been have this feeling for along time now. im not really sure were im goin. well any ways this is my thoughs

QUOTE (warita200 @ Nov 24 2006, 09:02 AM) in some cases it may be giving up, but then again, whats wrong with that? I dont see any reason why you should continue, if it causes you pain. Giving up in such a case is the correct choice.
Let me ask you this. Would you really wan't to kill yourself and cause pain to the people that care for you..the same pain that made you feel so miserable? It doesn't make sense to me but I do agree that it's your life and your choice but I don't really think you would want to see the people that care about you in the same condition you were. I'm also glad to know you're no longer thinking about suicide.


Me? I've never thought about. Sure there are times that I'm depressed but it's usually because I want to do more and better things with my life, not end it.


I only read 3-4 pages but if someone has already asked you that Warita(I think this is the person I've quoted) then I'm sorry.

I've considered suicide a few times in my life but never actually gone through with any of it. The only thing that held me here was the people that I would have hurt if I had went through with it.

Life doesn't seem to have much meaning when you look at the world from a third person perspective. All you see are people. They go about their daily routine repeatedly doing the same things. When I look at the world and wonder what difference one person can make it seems a lot like trying to change the course of a river with a single rock. You put the rock in the river to slow it down but if anything the rock just gets swept away by the river. The river keeps moving almost as if nothing had changed.

That is a little bit of what I thought back then. I don't really think that way much now but every now and then I'll remember back to when I thought that way and my mind will tend to agree with what I used to think.

The really odd thing though has to be that out of all the years that I have been alive if I could go back and relive any part of my life (even if I couldn't change it but just to be living through it again) that would be about the time that I would want to go back to. Obviously my thoughts of suicide aren't the reason why I would want to live that part of my life over again but my point here is that even when you are in the depths of despair there is still hope. It may be in the friends that you have, your family, your love for someone else or even someone else's love for you.

Well that is about enough about my experiences with suicide. I just want to say though that I don't really have an opinion on whether suicide is good/bad or right/wrong. I think it all depends on the situation it applies to. One thing I do believe though is that suicide is not the correct way to deal with a problem. Sure maybe the alternative is to go berserk and hurt a bunch of people and instead you take it out on yourself but even so if you kill yourself it doesn't change the people that may have forced you to such an extreme. The problem ultimately lies with the evil that infects this world. (I'm starting to see why Light did what he did in Death Note)

This post is getting way too long so I'll leave it up to everyone else to continue posting after me.