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#41 Anime-Addict

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Posted 19 July 2006 - 03:23 AM

To avoid confusion and to keep my reply as concise as possible, i will answer your questions in order, seperated by paragraphs.

Irc users are not wanted to use these http servers , which will hog more bandwidth

Not Possible, You see bandwidth is bandwidth, no matter what protocol it is using. However HTTP servers are more diffucult to set up and maintain.

theres no reason to create a chan to idle bots from all chans, and for your 40 chans and idling? thats your problem

Simply put, there is about that many active fansub groups at any one time. You idle in there to pay back your leeching by running a fileserver, so that others can download the release without nessasarily having to use a bot. And generally individuals filservers will auto resume a send if it is lost. Thsi is paticulary advantageous to us in combat zones as our internet is VSAT based.

it really wouldn't give them potential donors...

I really cant argue with you on this one, rather i have lost the will. You see in my previous 2 posts and expeirence, as i run an anime themed site myself, IRC does attract HTTP users. It is a fact, simple and plain.

so you seem to be missing the point of both fansubs and this site which is to provide anime subbed by fans for the fans at on cost which i pointed out before. its not expensive to distribute, and not all are college students.. many are HS students with some being adults. revenue isn't that important, and college students my not be rich... but not many are rich anyways THUS the irc channels boom since its free, are bots necessary no? some students are able to utilize the edu lines for distribution.

The key words that support my argument are unbolded for clarity. I stated that the majority of the fansubbing community are colledge students. And belive it or not the majority of colledges have network andministrators worth their salt, and have implemented various stratigies for limiting or prohibiting BT and IRC traffic hence the popularity of the site.

Additionally you seem to be of the opinion that having an IRC chan will destroy FTV. It is nto a matter of switching to IRC, but to have a chat based community, that can share files, as an ADDITIONAL feature. Might i add that features are what is driving the consumer market today. In essence it would add a larger peerbase, just as a different facet.

As for my comparison to pornography sites? Perhaps that was a little overdone, but still, statistically people feel more comfortable sending money over paypal to a person they identify as in charge of what they want so support than a HTTP interface. That and nobody likes filling out a bio on themselves just to join a site. Its annoying even to join a forums.
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Posted 20 July 2006 - 05:04 AM

ok so you didn't even address the first part, and it wasn't a question but a statement...the question if you saw it as such was sarcastically aimed at you concerning your lack of understanding it

ok bandwidth is bandwidth? what of it? http isn't harder to maintain/setup than bots. http you pay for high-speed server bandwidth, on irc? i pay my isp, im not paying them for a certian amount of bandwidth like you would a server or bot, all that bandwidth so you see is different..... all these irc users create a free center of media serving off their own isp that being the basis of irc's many media heavy networks

what are you trying to say about the 40chans? LOL do you have a point???
i think we all know the basis of idling in channels.... that particular notion was more aimed at you, as theres no reason to be in that many channels unless you have the time of either a retired old person or a little kid with nothing to do....i was not speaking on WHY people idle merely on the mention which you seemed to leave with a painstaking mark

you need to rethink your thoughts on donors....... and of course irc attracts http users, where do you think all the irc users came from??? ......
you lost the will to argue about donors because your wrong? its a matter of irc users staying on irc, not attracting more to a DD site. and i've alreadd aforementioned creating a channel for the purpose of chat and user file distribution for those who are able to serve and those who are able to leech


the point which you still seem to miss yet which you even quoted in your reply the very point i speak of......


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so you seem to be missing the point of both fansubs and this site which is to provide anime subbed by fans for the fans at on cost which i pointed out before. its not expensive to distribute, and not all are college students.. many are HS students with some being adults. revenue isn't that important, and college students my not be rich... but not many are rich anyways THUS the irc channels boom since its free, are bots necessary no? some students are able to utilize the edu lines for distribution.

The key words that support my argument are unbolded for clarity. I stated that the majority of the fansubbing community are colledge students. And belive it or not the majority of colledges have network andministrators worth their salt, and have implemented various stratigies for limiting or prohibiting BT and IRC traffic hence the popularity of the site.


your merely regurgitating what i said, its supporting you in what fashion? im very aware of traffic limiting from universities, i do believe mine even does it as well (but i dont live on campus) hence the words i used such as SOME, MANY and NOT ALL

and yes this is the purpose of fansub.tv

what makes you think I think irc will destroy fansub.tv? if you perhaps care to read my other posts to grasp better what i said please feel free........

so your one of those people who think registering for a site is like breaking a leg?.... you did for this one? whats wrong with site registering? most are integrated with forums and its supporting that group/site.......is it so annoying to support a group/community and take all but 10seconds to fill out an email and username with password?
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Posted 20 July 2006 - 11:50 PM

QUOTE (nekronos @ Jul 20 2006, 12:47 AM)


what makes you think I think irc will destroy fansub.tv? if you perhaps care to read my other posts to grasp better what i said please feel free........


Simply put the vehenement counterpoints to my arguments. You seem to be heavily against the idea, judgeing by the content of your replys. In the end it is not my, or your decision to make. So at this point, lest this degenerate into a flaming match, i shal retire from this topic temporarily. My regards.
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Posted 21 July 2006 - 12:42 AM

the issue isn't whos decision to make......i hope you can judge that im against it... lawl, this isn't a flaming match however it does irritate me you dont seem to understand the topic at hand
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Posted 09 August 2006 - 05:40 AM

Sooo, Daft. I was wondering if IRC is still in the works. Its just that the teamspeak text chat is a pain involving 3 -4 clicks every time you want to type.
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Posted 09 August 2006 - 09:53 PM

irc could be helpfull if you want to shaw your downloads on there but not really great for chatting most the time anyway, as most the ops in them ban you for chatting with them.
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Posted 09 August 2006 - 10:08 PM

QUOTE (Anime-Addict @ Aug 09 2006, 03:33 AM)
Sooo, Daft.  I was wondering if IRC is still in the works.  Its just that the teamspeak text chat is a pain involving 3 -4 clicks every time you want to type.

If anything were to happen with an IRC channel, I probably wouldn't be the one to head it since I'm not all that familiar with it myself. Lol, the point of teamspeak is voice communication.
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Posted 09 August 2006 - 11:05 PM

QUOTE (Cody @ Aug 09 2006, 04:46 PM)
irc could be helpfull if you want to shaw your downloads on there but not really great for chatting most the time anyway, as most the ops in them ban you for chatting with them.

... i thought it was only 1 right-click and 2 left-clicks!

but yeah, the point of teamspeak is to speak your asses out.... although it does get a little funky now and then...
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Posted 13 September 2006 - 06:17 PM

I think the irc chat is a splendid idea. Look, many ppl are using the forums for chatting anyways, mods have to remind them all the time not to change the topic. I dont think the chat would be empty, I would love to spend my time in chat.
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Posted 05 April 2007 - 09:55 PM

I would love an IRC channel for FTV. It's just a great place to chat with other people and of course you have the download options available through IRC. Would help cut down on useless chatter in forums. I know I would end up being on it a lot, but I would have to take a week off with senpai so we could get ploumid on it too. tongue.gif

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Posted 07 April 2007 - 12:48 AM

I am willing to make an IRC channel. The only things I would need to know is what it is going to be called, I would recommend either #FTV or #Fabsub.tv, and where it is to be located, for that I would recommend irc.rizon.net since that is where most of the fansub groups have their channels. I will take care of the rest.

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Posted 08 April 2007 - 02:06 AM

Rizon would be a bad place to pick for this site, considering it's home to many warez groups. Most of the other popular anime sites stay on Zirc, such as animesuki, animeyume and anidb.
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Posted 10 April 2007 - 06:23 AM

Well "irc.immortal-anime.net" is a nice relaible groeing anime-only irc server community.. Just a suggetion, since I am still "officially Retired" from the topic.
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Posted 11 April 2007 - 05:22 PM

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Well "irc.immortal-anime.net" is a nice relaible groeing anime-only irc server community.. Just a suggetion, since I am still "officially Retired" from the topic.

What's on irc.immortal-anime.net besides one bad DVD ripping group?

/me never goes on that server...

A good server should also be one where there's already some popular anime related channels at. That way you can get some of the regular users of that server to idle on the channel.
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Posted 11 April 2007 - 07:52 PM

You may be right that a few anime related sites are on zirc, though I really don't go there, but most of the popular fansub groups are on rizon, as in probably 80 - 90% of the fansub groups that fansub.tv gets anime from.

Also just because there may be warez groups on rizon doesn't mean that people who go there for a fansub.tv channel have to join a warez channel, in fact I have 48 items in my mIRC favorites for rizon and not a single one of them is warez or anything like that.

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 04:26 AM

Well I am under the impression if this site wanted a channel they probably rather stay away from the fansub/warez groups and stick nearer to sites like their own self.

Anyway, if somehow this site does get an IRC channel and picks rizon. Then expect even more !list, !xdcc list, @find users there than anywhere else. ;P
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Posted 12 April 2007 - 08:07 AM

I too agree on a the rizon server on the basis that most anime/manga groups' channels are on that server; I doubt it matters that FTV isn't a subbng/scanlatring group because that's not a prerequisite to be on rizon; FTV is about anime, so it should rightfully go onto the server where much of the anime/manga groups reside, IMO.

It would also be helpful for people who use IRC much more than DDL or torrenting, such as me; if I can download it from an IRC channel, I won't bother with a torrent 9 out of 10 times. Also, IRC can set up direct links between users, so if someone went into the channel and asked "Anyone have Kanon episode 1?" a user on the channel who has it can reply back and send the file to the user; this, I think, would be the most useful aspect of the channel, other than the general anime discussion that will arise.
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Posted 12 April 2007 - 10:27 PM

I truly dislike rizon just because of its popularity. Due to its massive amount of users, it is inherently unstable. Sometimes it takes days to connect, other times there are endless netsplits. Just because a network is unpopular does not mean it should be avoided. In fact a userbase such as FTV's would be a boon to ANY fledgling irc server. The services smaller networks provide are usually on par or better than those of massive userbases.
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Posted 13 April 2007 - 12:52 AM

Rizon is much more stable then it used to be...

No more netsplits every few hours. And if anything does happen it's usually announced about beforehand.
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Posted 13 April 2007 - 02:39 PM

doofus123 has set up a trial channel on Rizon at #FTV.




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